Can Surfers Influence democracy ?

Barnard's picture
Barnard started the topic in Tuesday, 24 May 2016 at 10:28pm

Surfers United..The coming election finds some of the coastal electrates up for Grabs.. Can Surfers Influence democracy ?  

thermalben's picture
thermalben's picture
thermalben commented Wednesday, 25 May 2016 at 7:58am

In what kind of way? For which electorates?

dandandan's picture
dandandan's picture
dandandan commented Wednesday, 25 May 2016 at 9:34am

Definitely can - but it is difficult.

Firstly I don't think enough people understand how our political system works. I'm teaching this semester at a university and I had to interrupt the Indonesian class the other day to teach them about how our parliament is structured. Nobody knew the difference between the upper and lower house, that you elected senators and MPs through different processes, that each electorate had representatives that ought to speak on their behalf on national issues. That's not really their fault - the education system failed them and the way party politics has evolved is that people think that MPs are supposed to work for their party and not for the people. I've been loosely involved with campaigns for years and that's always been the biggest hurdle.

The other one I've run into goes back to the days of the Gunns pulp mill debacle in Northern Tassie (which launched the political career of Peter Whish Wilson). The mill would have pumped effluent out towards the most reliable wave on the central north coast, rendering it unsurfable at peak times of discharge. We thought it'd be a no-brainer: surfers would be against it. Most of the surfers in the area, though, work in extractive industries or in other industries that are generally 'anti-green'. We couldn't get them onside. Calls of 'your only surf break will be closed down due to pollution' were met with 'typical anti-everything greens, go back to a cave etc. etc. we need jobs!" Of course, the mill was a dud and Gunns went bankrupt... but it was eye opening.

I think any kind of democratic action is worth it and things always work different in different places. a local approach, with committed face to face campaigners, could have enormous impacts on an election.

Good luck!

floyd's picture
floyd's picture
floyd commented Wednesday, 25 May 2016 at 2:11pm

individually, i would say not unless you work as a lobbyist or are prepared to sling some $$$ their way

the below comment was as predictable as catching flathead in the bay ...... as night follows day

tonybarber's picture
tonybarber's picture
tonybarber commented Wednesday, 25 May 2016 at 11:33am

If you get involved, of course, you can...

Barnard's picture
Barnard's picture
Barnard commented Wednesday, 1 Jun 2016 at 8:27am

Ben watching the news last night . The seat of Richmond Northern ((NSW , Byron to the Tweed) is up for grabs. and will be one of the most watched and interesting electorates as it likely indicate the direction Oz is heading.

Richmond - is one of the most interesting and diverse electorates in Oz - Its got everything in the way of people diversity.

The former Doug Anthony & son - formally the Nationals clan of Murwillumbar, held power for years - farmers /cane growers etc - but I think they a diminishing group dying off (loveliest people on earth, I spent time there ) ,Now.... theres - the New Beachies that have taken over the coast, from the Tweed down to Byron courtesy of the new super hi-way down the coast , they consist of escapees from the north of the Border (Brisbane , Coolangatta/Gold Coast ) , there''s the former rocket scientists, painters & ex stockbrokers of Uki and the hinterland rangers , The NImbin revolutionaries , The Mullimbimby Heads and the new rich of Byron - hell of a mix of people - green, blue, red, orange (Hari Krishner's are in there too ) So if anyone's writing a story or a script for a film about politics - this ones worth watching for the sheer entertainment that''s bound to happen at the grass roots level .????

Barney

lostdoggy's picture
lostdoggy's picture
lostdoggy commented Wednesday, 1 Jun 2016 at 11:10am

Well, the coalition is advertising on swellnet.

thermalben's picture
thermalben's picture
thermalben commented Wednesday, 1 Jun 2016 at 12:07pm

Not directly, LD. More likely you've visited some website in the past that has pegged you (as a user) against some kind of topic interest, and the Coalition is utilising Google's advertising platform - which we have on our site - to "target" you with an appropriate ad. 

thermalben's picture
thermalben's picture
thermalben commented Wednesday, 1 Jun 2016 at 12:08pm

Barnard wrote: Ben watching the news last night . The seat of Richmond Northern ((NSW , Byron to the Tweed) is up for grabs. and will be one of the most watched and interesting electorates as it likely indicate the direction Oz is heading.
Thanks mate, I live in this electorate so it'll be interesting to see what eventuates (I'm not really familiar with the state of play around here).
lostdoggy's picture
lostdoggy's picture
lostdoggy commented Wednesday, 1 Jun 2016 at 12:25pm

Fair enough, Ben.
Well maybe they are scared for their seat of Richmond up here.
It's Matthew Fraser for the Nats. "Focused on our future".
Not sure if he's talking about me in an inclusive 'our', or just him and his mates.

Political advertising does absolutely nothing to sway me. Turns me off, be they labor, libs, greens.

I'm not against campaigning though, obviously they have to get their name out there.
But adverts on telly, online media reduces the likelihood of obtaining my vote.

I guess it works on a lot of people though.

Sheepdog's picture
Sheepdog's picture
Sheepdog commented Wednesday, 1 Jun 2016 at 2:08pm

"Can Surfers Influence democracy ?"........... Of course they can!!!! Here's photographic proof!! pmsl

Sheepdog

AndyM's picture
AndyM's picture
AndyM commented Wednesday, 1 Jun 2016 at 2:32pm

Surfers can influence democracy alright, just look at Mike Baird.

thermalben's picture
thermalben's picture
thermalben commented Wednesday, 1 Jun 2016 at 3:24pm

Well played, good sir.

Hako o hakonde ni-biki no inu's picture
Hako o hakonde ni-biki no inu's picture
Hako o hakonde ... commented Wednesday, 1 Jun 2016 at 4:33pm

dandandan wrote: Definitely can - but it is difficult.

The other one I've run into goes back to the days of the Gunns pulp mill debacle in Northern Tassie (which launched the political career of Peter Whish Wilson). The mill would have pumped effluent out towards the most reliable wave on the central north coast, rendering it unsurfable at peak times of discharge. We thought it'd be a no-brainer: surfers would be against it. Most of the surfers in the area, though, work in extractive industries or in other industries that are generally 'anti-green'. We couldn't get them onside. Calls of 'your only surf break will be closed down due to pollution' were met with 'typical anti-everything greens, go back to a cave etc. etc. we need jobs!" Of course, the mill was a dud and Gunns went bankrupt... but it was eye opening.


Well wasn't that democracy at work Dan :)?? Of course they would tell you overpaid uni educated greenies to fuck off, if things went your way they'd be stuck riding a mediocre wave all year and would not be able to afford to enjoy the delights of an Indonesian holiday like you and your yuppie greenie mates . :)))
Barnard's picture
Barnard's picture
Barnard commented Thursday, 2 Jun 2016 at 5:36am

Hope your not a Uki ex scientist ..???

Personally ...I am going after the local pollies for a wave pool under the St Kilda pier ...

I think they are sniffing the bait ...

I've come up with an economic development strategy ..that says $5B in tourism benefits ...

besides think of the carbon I save fro not driving to the coast ...!!!

, I can peddle to the local break like the Coolie Kids !!! Yiiiippppee...

... just got to train a white pointer ???,,,

....I am available for hire ...
St Kilda Subversive Out ...

lov yr work...

Barney

Barnard's picture
Barnard's picture
Barnard commented Thursday, 2 Jun 2016 at 6:13am

..............I know that girl.........you 'havent seen the fin on her back ..yet....

Barney