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Shatner'sBassoon started the topic in Friday, 6 Nov 2015 at 7:48pm

AN ALL-ENCOMPASSING KALEIDOSCOPIC JOIN-THE-DOTS/ADULT COLOURING BOOK EXPERIMENTAL PROJECT IN NARCISSISTIC/ONANISTIC BIG PICTURE PARASITIC FORUM BLEEDING.

LIKE POLITICAL LIFE, PARTICIPATION IS WELCOME, ENCOURAGED EVEN, BUT NOT NECESSARY.

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Sheepdog Tuesday, 26 Apr 2016 at 9:07pm
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that might be true SD.....but I also wonder how much the decision is entwined in PNG politics. its no secret that PNG government and many locals have had enough and want the centers closed.

Just as many want the gravy train to continue.... May i suggest catching the repeat of "7.30" later tonight on abc24.. Interview with politician from PNG...... BTW, It was ruled against the constitution by the full bench of the supreme court, causing embarrassment to the PNG government.... If they truly wanted Manus closed, there's be other ways of doing it that don't involve a major loss of face, Happy.

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sypkan Wednesday, 27 Apr 2016 at 10:05am

at risk of appearing infatuated with the guardian and an intellectual homosesexual, this is everything I've been raving about in one article

the regressive left are like the tea party

extreme, nutty, close minded, and totally intolerant of difference, which is kinda ironic and contradictory given their agenda

they've become the conservative preachers of dogma they despised so much

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/26/conservatives-love-...

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tonybarber Wednesday, 27 Apr 2016 at 10:31am

A bit of inconvenient truth there Sypkan. It ain't easy to take the blinkers off.

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AndyM Wednesday, 27 Apr 2016 at 11:36am

Sypkan, I'm offended by the way you trivialise homosexuality in your post. It shows a great deal of intolerance towards the LGBTI community.

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sypkan Wednesday, 27 Apr 2016 at 11:47am

maybe, but nah

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AndyM Wednesday, 27 Apr 2016 at 11:55am

Jeez, I was hoping for a bigger bite.

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mk1 Wednesday, 27 Apr 2016 at 12:34pm

Article seems a bit silly - there's idiots on twitter and journalists should not pass off their shit as valid opinion.

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floyd Wednesday, 27 Apr 2016 at 12:51pm
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A bit of inconvenient truth there Sypkan. It ain't easy to take the blinkers off.

either end of the spectrum are nut cases Tones even the guys on the far right you seem to constantly saddle up with

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sypkan Wednesday, 27 Apr 2016 at 1:49pm

haha, this really is laughable,

turnball totally caught out

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-27/grudnoff-facts-about-negative-g...

I could have bit andy but that particular topic is fraught with all sorts of danger

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mk1 Wednesday, 27 Apr 2016 at 2:36pm

That's a clear disection sypkan. Can't argue with that takedown.

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AndyM Wednesday, 27 Apr 2016 at 2:40pm

Wow, that is absolutely devastating!

And the largest 10 average net rental loss by electorate are, without exception, all Liberal held seats.

In the words of the author Matt Grudnoff, "there is a big difference between representing your electorate and claiming that your real concern is middle income households".

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Shatner'sBassoon Thursday, 28 Apr 2016 at 4:15pm

"It is high time that Australia has an election based on class, because for the last forty years worldwide the neoliberal project has been shifting wealth from below to above, disenfranchising middle and working class people alike, and virtually winning the class war for the unnaturally wealthy.

Turnbull & Co want to create a little plutocratic fiefdom at the end of the world (ringed by submarines and numerous on water naval vessels) while Labor would like to see Australia’s egalitarian, multicultural nature preserved and expanded.

From Tony Abbott (with a scowling face), Malcolm Turnbull (with a smiling face) took over the Coalition government’s assault on the institutions of society that have mitigated against unfairness and economic inequality - like public health, public education, including needs based education, fair compensation and conditions in the workplace, and the social safety net, including disability support.

On Insiders a couple of weeks ago, Mark Reilly dubbed the next poll a fight between the “top hats” and the “hard hats”. (Turnbull immediately started running around in high viz and a hard hat.)

Bill Shorten’s call for a Royal Commission into banks will answer the question of whether heads in top hats will roll or not – if the ALP get up, that is.

Ian Narev , CEO of the CBA, has come out blaming the victims of the banking scandals – calling them “unreasonable” - in a shocking pronouncement attempting to direct attention away from the calls for a Royal Commission that clearly demonstrates the toxic culture that a RC would target, and seek to reform.

The Prime Minister has resorted to the old “politics of envy” trope to attack Labor’s election policy to halve the tax break on capitol gains, even as Shorten fired back that it’s not about envy , but fairness (since the well-off to pay less tax than the less-well-off) saying teachers and nurses can’t reduce the tax they pay from their salaries like that.

(It’s also about removing the double whammy of negative gearing and capitol gains from real estate speculators to make housing more affordable.)

At the foundation, the difference between the government and the opposition is whether the national interest is paramount or the special interests. Labor’s newly named “people first” strategy has been framed specifically to target this difference.

No matter how many policies the government steals – perhaps on super and tobacco, for example - it still won't put the interests of people who need public services ahead of corporations that are focused on profit, and avoiding their responsibility to pay fair tax on them.

It has become increasingly clear to an ever enlarging portion of the electorate that were wealthy individuals and multi-national corporations to be taxed commensurately with everyone else that there would likely be adequate revenue to avoid cuts, austerity, and budget “savings”, so that basic public services could be maintained, or even increased – without a lot of ersatz drama from a fast-talking Treasurer.

After thirty years of governments of both stripes advocating the neoliberal model of political economy, Labor now appears to have turned the corner in an attempt to get the settings right on capitalism. In truth, even when Labor was introducing free market reforms they still had a foundation of social justice behind their policy in the Accord when the social safety net was strengthened to compensate for wage restraint.

That tradition continues with the Gonski reforms and the NDIS, both of which the Coalition government appears to want to weaken or abandon.

The values-based policy and fairness test that Labor is planning to apply if elected is exactly what the economy needs, and what society needs, as well, to recover from the decades of free market based economic policy that has moved Australia in the direction of becoming a market society - where everything is for sale including the politicians, and the people are increasingly left to fend for themselves in a Darwinian free for all.

Labor will likely become known in future as the best economic managers because they put human beings back into the equation instead of turning them into another commodity like the the failing neoliberal model prescribes.

This election is about fairness. It’s about what sort of country its people want Australia to become.

In an attempt to deceive the public like Nixon did, Turnbull can make Checkers speeches till the cows come home, but his inability to identify with the concerns of everyday Australians nonetheless becomes more obvious by the day - at least to those who are paying attention.

You know, one of the things that outed the real Nixon was that he loved to hang out with criminals."

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BobC Thursday, 28 Apr 2016 at 5:09pm

I Laboured thru that, but then I remembered that our country is broke because of labor so there's no cash to spend on anything for a while and there was nearly an Arab invasion because of Labor. Also, an inquiry to find out our banks are arseholes will just reveal that our banks are arseholes ...surprise surprise !

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Shatner'sBassoon Thursday, 28 Apr 2016 at 6:01pm

الحق أبْلَجُ والباطل لجلج الحق دولة والباطل جولة الحق ظل ظليل حق من كتب بمسك أن يختم بعنبر الحق يعلو ولا يعلى عليه الحِلْم أجَلُّ من العقل الحُمْقُ داء ولا دواء له

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AndyM Thursday, 28 Apr 2016 at 6:25pm
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الحق أبْلَجُ والباطل لجلج الحق دولة والباطل جولة الحق ظل ظليل حق من كتب بمسك أن يختم بعنبر الحق يعلو ولا يعلى عليه الحِلْم أجَلُّ من العقل الحُمْقُ داء ولا دواء له

"Obalij right and wrong for the state Gelj right and wrong right round under the shade of the right of maintenance of books to seal Bnbr right should prevail upon the dream for the folly of the mind 's disease or medicine to him"

Not sure if Google Translate has nailed this one...

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AndyM Thursday, 28 Apr 2016 at 6:26pm

By the way Bob, credit to you for your trolling skills.

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Shatner'sBassoon Thursday, 28 Apr 2016 at 6:51pm
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الحق أبْلَجُ والباطل لجلج الحق دولة والباطل جولة الحق ظل ظليل حق من كتب بمسك أن يختم بعنبر الحق يعلو ولا يعلى عليه الحِلْم أجَلُّ من العقل الحُمْقُ داء ولا دواء له

"Obalij right and wrong for the state Gelj right and wrong right round under the shade of the right of maintenance of books to seal Bnbr right should prevail upon the dream for the folly of the mind 's disease or medicine to him"

Not sure if Google Translate has nailed this one...

Haha...or even "stupidity is a disease without a medicine."

The Big C has got a ways to go to catch up on old (cough, cough) TB in the 'special' trolling stakes, methinks.

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Sheepdog Friday, 29 Apr 2016 at 10:29am

Hey! Idiots! Welcome to a world without coal.......

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-29/nuclear-waste-dump-expected-south-...

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southey Friday, 29 Apr 2016 at 1:34pm

If they were to even entertain this idea , it should be on land with minimal run off , isolated and also uninhabited . The fact that this land was already functioning as ( remotely ) marginal at worse for cattle or any sort of agriculture suggests that the site is wrong fullstop .

The next thing that comes to mind is the stability ( geotech /seismic ) , if you were going to have it anywhere ( i'm not a proponent ) then surely places already contaminated would be at the top of the list , and the only other plausible place would be where they mine it . Better still don't export / transport it . Leave it for when and if we need it , and then only build a reactor on the site on which it is mined and dumped . CRAZY TOWN

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southey Friday, 29 Apr 2016 at 1:45pm

Let them sail to NZ . why not .

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Sheepdog Friday, 29 Apr 2016 at 1:46pm

And what a fucking disgrace Bill Shorten was today........

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AndyM Friday, 29 Apr 2016 at 2:33pm
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Next....... What the fuck have we become??

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/29/turnbull-rejects-n...

As I've said before Dog, ugliness goes all the way to the bone.

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mk1 Friday, 29 Apr 2016 at 3:05pm

What the fuck? NZ says they'll take 150 a year and Australia says "No, don't want to encourage dem dere people smugglers do we boy!" What the fucking fuck!

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stunet Friday, 29 Apr 2016 at 3:20pm

AndyM wrote:
Sheepdog wrote:

Next....... What the fuck have we become?? http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/29/turnbull-rejects-n...

As I've said before Dog, ugliness goes all the way to the bone.

Makes for depressing reading, eh? Though there was a clever remark in the comments about "Schrödinger's refugee": the type of refugee that simultaneously is a dole bludger and takes your job. Got a smile out of that.

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mk1 Friday, 29 Apr 2016 at 3:40pm

Depressing reading for sure - seems the ends are justifying any means with these guys. (edit: the ends being "get elected")

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indo-dreaming Friday, 29 Apr 2016 at 4:46pm

Im surprised they are rejecting the NZ offer, with an election coming up i would have thought they would be very keen to do anything to get those in Manus and Naru settled anywhere but Australia as it would be a huge win for the government to be able to say no boats have reached Australia no more refugees have been put in offshore detention and it would be like the icing on the cake to get numbers in offshore detention as low as possible or ideally get everyone out before the election and be able to say no one is in offshore detention. (or atleast get the ones with children settled)

If they are concerned about the back door risk, surely they can just pretty much black list anyone resettled in NZ from coming to Australia, but honestly i think the risk is very low anyway New Zealand is a developed country with much opportunity which is what they are after as only a fool would believe they are only after a safe haven otherwise they would have taken up the PNG or Cambodia offer. (please don't even go there telling me how horrible these places are, its either safer than where they come from or not?...and if it's not then maybe we should be opening our arms to our neighbors and saving them from these horrible places instead of people from the other side of the world)

Still does my head in that they actually gave them a choice to be resettled or stay in detention (or sorry hell holes and concentration camps).

The only other options are if the government can organize resettlement in a bit better SE Asian country, but even then if they are given the choice there is no guarantee whatsoever they would take it up actually highly doubtful.

The only other option would be to negotiate with country's with refugee camps and do a deal where for every refugee from detention we take two or more from that country's refugee camp, personally i think that's the best option and sends a good strong message, but probably not possible legally anymore.

So seeing Australia isn't an option and doubtful any of the other options will happen, they will probably just get moved to Naru and not much will change.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 10:44pm

How depressing and angry does this make you feel?

I know it's not exactly new news, but the video explains very well how big company's use different methods to screw our tax system over/screw us all over and don't pay the tax they should.

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Sheepdog Wednesday, 4 May 2016 at 5:04pm

Aaaaaand here we go..... Having had a few heated debates with several swellnutters (you know who you are lol) on this issue of our "freedoms" being taken away under the "spectre of terrorism", I warned of this..... Draconian laws wedged in to "fight terrorists" will creep into everyday life.... It's happening.... read this article.....

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/04/nsw-police-to-get-...

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inzider Wednesday, 4 May 2016 at 6:03pm

a lot of the refugees on nauru dont want a bar of oz anymore.

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stunet Wednesday, 4 May 2016 at 6:13pm

So much for treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen.

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inzider Wednesday, 4 May 2016 at 6:19pm

well once they are processed and released into the naruan community its the locals who treat em mean,

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happyasS Wednesday, 4 May 2016 at 7:07pm

the laws protect citizens but taking away their liberties at the same time. we wouldn't need this shit if the penalties for crime were harsher. too easy to get off lightly these days, no deterrent.

but as always, if your clean and have done nothing wrong then there is nothing to fear. if your on the other side of the dodgy line between a good clean citizen and engaging in criminal activity then I have little sympathy.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 4 May 2016 at 7:29pm
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a lot of the refugees on nauru dont want a bar of oz anymore.

Fled from their country, passes numerous country with refugee camps, dont like Naru, turned their noses up at PNG and Cambodia, now don't want a bar of Australia....any word on their current preferred destination????

Probably a good thing we turned down the NZ offer, im sure it would have been too cold.

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Sheepdog Wednesday, 4 May 2016 at 7:43pm
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the laws protect citizens but taking away their liberties at the same time. we wouldn't need this shit if the penalties for crime were harsher. too easy to get off lightly these days, no deterrent.

but as always, if your clean and have done nothing wrong then there is nothing to fear. if your on the other side of the dodgy line between a good clean citizen and engaging in criminal activity then I have little sympathy.

Did you actually read the article???? From the article;

"New South Wales police are on the verge of securing “extreme” new powers including to impose curfews on citizens, restrict who they spend time with or limit their communications, if they SUSPECT involvement in “serious crime-related activity” -
That's orwellian, Happy...... These laws can be utilized to eg- quell those protesting coal seam gas in their region.... They could "suspect" you are going to protest, which is now illegal..... You watch..... It'll happen...

From the article ; "Those ACQUITTED of serious offences can STILL be issued a SCPO, as will people deemed to have engaged in conduct “likely to facilitate” a serious crime, defined as one punishable by at least five years’ prison."

Acquitted means - "free (someone) from a criminal charge by a verdict of NOT guilty"....
So, someone found NOT GUILTY can still be put under curfew, even locked up for 5 years......

The old "hey if you're not doing anything wrong you got nothing to worry about blah blah blah" doesn't wash with me...... Under these laws, you have done nothing wrong, even found innocent, yet still can be punished.....
The more you take it in, the more unbelievable it is.....

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happyasS Wednesday, 4 May 2016 at 7:56pm
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The old "hey if you're not doing anything wrong you got nothing to worry about blah blah blah" doesn't wash with me...... Under these laws, you have done nothing wrong, even found innocent, yet still can be punished.....
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that remains to be seen. I find it hard to believe they will use this to attack Mr Sheepdog who parks illegally at the local beach when the surf is pumping at 6am in the morning. but anyhow, what defines serious crime is something for the court to answer to. our judicial system is clogged and overpriced as it is.

as for "tax evasion" cmon SD...your getting sucked into the article if you believe that. don't forget your reading the guardians take on it.....

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The old "hey if you're not doing anything wrong you got nothing to worry about blah blah blah" doesn't wash with me...... Under these laws, you have done nothing wrong, even found innocent, yet still can be punished.....
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that remains to be seen. I find it hard to believe they will use this to attack Mr Sheepdog who parks illegally at the local beach when the surf is pumping at 6am in the morning. but anyhow, what defines serious crime is something for the court to answer to. our judicial system is clogged and overpriced as it is.

as for "tax evasion" cmon SD...your getting sucked into the article if you believe that. don't forget your reading the guardians take on it.....

The Guardians take on it???? Jeez you would've been a good little Berliner in 1933.... lol
So i take it you didn't click on the link to the NSW Bar association ( the professional association for NSW Barristers)? Let me guess.... they're just lawyers right......

http://www.nswbar.asn.au/docs/webdocs/SCPO_13042016.pdf

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a lot of the refugees on nauru dont want a bar of oz anymore.

Fled from their country, passes numerous country with refugee camps, dont like Naru, turned their noses up at PNG and Cambodia, now don't want a bar of Australia....any word on their current preferred destination????

Probably a good thing we turned down the NZ offer, im sure it would have been too cold.

Heard a guy on radio today with a similar sentiment to you indo, this person came here as a "skilled migrant" 2 years ago from the sub-continent and rationalised he could speak against Australia accepting "refugees" because they aren't contributing to the economy unlike his good self ....... some witty person rang in quickly afterwards and referred to him as a "door slammer". Get yourself in the door and then slam it shut behind you ...... Not the Australia I knew but apparently this new cold hearted greed is all the rage.

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happyasS Wednesday, 4 May 2016 at 9:57pm

he he. lol. ill take that joke in good humour withstanding my german heritage. I did very quickly look up the list (albeit SA) of offences with a minimum jail term of 5 years. which I understood was at the crux of the argument for these protection type laws. the offences are generally quite serious, murder, manslaughter, recklessly causing harm etc....

http://www.lsc.sa.gov.au/dsh/print/ch11.php

from a legal perspective, I don't understand the rationale behind the nsw bars concerns. they have complexities wrapped up in history of the law and new laws like this might cause them some grief, who knows......the way I think about it laymans terms is that if your not involved in such serious activities and have never been trialled for such activities then it is extremely unlikely such police action would be taken against you. if someone did bad in the past but has cleaned up their act then I cant see the cops bothering with these laws either. they don't have time for this shit. but if some bloke is a the head of a bikie gang and has been trialled in the past for breaking serious laws and then the cops nail him with a SCPO because hes still suspected because hes still heading the gang and associating with blokes that did actually get nailed, then fuck him. he deserves all he gets. no sympathy. the fucker can quit the gang, clean up his act, and move on. I might sound draconian like the laws but have no time for anyone who dabbles in serious shit like this, or associates with anyone who does dabble, and anything that keeps my kid a little safer on the streets is a good thing.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 4 May 2016 at 11:31pm
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a lot of the refugees on nauru dont want a bar of oz anymore.

Fled from their country, passes numerous country with refugee camps, dont like Naru, turned their noses up at PNG and Cambodia, now don't want a bar of Australia....any word on their current preferred destination????

Probably a good thing we turned down the NZ offer, im sure it would have been too cold.

Heard a guy on radio today with a similar sentiment to you indo, this person came here as a "skilled migrant" 2 years ago from the sub-continent and rationalised he could speak against Australia accepting "refugees" because they aren't contributing to the economy unlike his good self ....... some witty person rang in quickly afterwards and referred to him as a "door slammer". Get yourself in the door and then slam it shut behind you ...... Not the Australia I knew but apparently this new cold hearted greed is all the rage.

I heard that on the radio as well....

Comparing different types of legal immigration to people arriving in an uncontrolled manner that might technically not be illegal but should be is two very different things.

That guy has as much right to his view as any other Australian, its irrelevant how long people have been here, born and bred, been here 30 years or six months.

BTW. Its far from cold hearted to want a system that treats all refugees equally and gives all the same chance of a new life instead of giving priority to those who can afford to travel and pay people smugglers.

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floyd Thursday, 5 May 2016 at 7:51am

being a refugee isn't illegal technically or otherwise, it is totally LEGAL

IMO citizens of a country can have an opinion, it is not known whether this person had citizenship

"...a new life instead of giving priority to those who can afford to travel and pay" ...... a "migration specialist" ***who will complete and submit all the required paperwork and perhaps even find you a position so that you may become a "skilled migrant" in Australia.

*** all for a fee of course, wait a minute, thats what so-called people smugglers do .... oh the irony

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inzider Thursday, 5 May 2016 at 8:57am

To true floyd
Austrlalia is paying a third world corrupt as fuck country to hold political slaves.
This third world country is farming these slaves/animals as a source of income but with no real agenda to export its cattle.
So fucked up.

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talkingturkey Thursday, 5 May 2016 at 2:53pm
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Or the super-duper mining resources tax TT? Ka-ching!

Sure, the poor fella at the 7/11. No avenues there for digging himself out of oppression.

I admire you TT seriously, no man left behind and all that. You can be my wingman anyday. Just make sure you take out a loan to buy a bigger wagon. I'm calling shotgun.

Kinda funny, Zen, but then again...yeah, nah.

Remember the hullabaloo when a mineral resources rent scheme was even mentioned, let alone implemented? Too little, too late...and pissy...but still the hysterics, the advertising campaigns, the end-of-the-world rhetoric.

Chuck in the carbon pricing as well (both things KRudd squibbed on), and the big end of town, despite being hit really by a fiscal wet lettuce, were rolling around on the ground like a Serie A pro. Gillard who actually did something copped it from all angles. BIG-TIME. Daily corporate media buckets.

JG out. Then TA in. Hopeless. Too hopeless. Then TA out, and ruthless free-marketeer M. Turdstill in. A right old 'merchant banker' (new rhyming slang).

The last PM that hit the big boys before Gillard's modest efforts copped it too. Whitlam.

And so it goes. BUT let's see if people are still going to swallow the same old corporate media kool-aid as before. Internet and social media, man. Exciting times to NOT be so brain-washed. It'll be some ironic shit if the internet kills off Mr Internet.

As for the 7-11 bloke, only a union can help him or would bother. What was that 7-11 fiasco about recently anyway? As for weekend work and penalty rates too. Pfffft, Mal will sort him...right out.

Comrade Zen, I'm driving a bus, get on-board if you want, might have to give up your seat for someone that needs it though, but still we'll all get there in one piece.

Paaaaarp..

Poor old Tinkles got a windy tum tum?

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talkingturkey Thursday, 5 May 2016 at 3:16pm

"Malcolm Turnbull has acknowledged that " the middle class in America had been squeezed during the recession, and income inequality was a big deal in the country".

The budget just handed down by this government relies on the same supply side economic strategy that has hollowed out the middle class in America in the last thirty years.

Does the PM realize that the economic approach he is taking will increase economic inequality in Australia, taking it down the same destructive path?"

GW Bush-style tax cuts for the rich and infamous? $4 an hour compulsory 'internships' = workfare? Piss in our pockets and call it trickle-down?

Hand our very own 'Romney' his gold-plated arse back to him, comrades. You know you have to. Unless the US is your kinda thang. Orstrahlya, love it or leave it.

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talkingturkey Thursday, 5 May 2016 at 3:19pm

And don't get me started on Mal's three word slogans!

"So let me get this right...the coalition's JOBS AND GROWTH slogan is a rip-off from George Dubya Bush, dated approximately 2003.....AND.....their CONTINUITY AND CHANGE slogan is a rip-off from the American television series "Veep" back in the day.
Down in the coalition bunker, there's not just a shortage of talent and ideas, there's a shortage of self-respect. No wonder the Reserve Bank has had to drop interest rates to record lows. No wonder the budget deficit is chronic. No wonder the monthly trade deficits are a continuous record of disaster under this mob. No wonder debt levels are touching the sun.
They have not got a bloody clue...not one decent idea between the lot of them. What hope have we got?"

"You forgot 'live within our means' - David Cameron 2015"

"Morrison's previous slogan...Work, Save, Invest.... was taken from a 2011 Bill Shorten speech."

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 5 May 2016 at 4:20pm
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being a refugee isn't illegal technically or otherwise, it is totally LEGAL

IMO citizens of a country can have an opinion, it is not known whether this person had citizenship

"...a new life instead of giving priority to those who can afford to travel and pay" ...... a "migration specialist" ***who will complete and submit all the required paperwork and perhaps even find you a position so that you may become a "skilled migrant" in Australia.

*** all for a fee of course, wait a minute, that's what so-called people smugglers do .... oh the irony

Edit: I cant be bothered getting into a back and forth thing on this today, its kind of pointless, its all been said before, the important thing is our governments both liberal and labor understand the importance's of the issue, even if most of the public do not.

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floyd Thursday, 5 May 2016 at 4:22pm

Indo,

The only thing I don't understand in this debate is how heartless Australians have become.

For your other comments above you clearly have misrepresented, misread or have forgotten what I and others have said here on this very topic.

This demonisation of refugees was all done for political advantage and to even think otherwise is naive.

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Sheepdog Thursday, 5 May 2016 at 5:29pm
happyasS wrote:

he he. lol. ill take that joke in good humour withstanding my german heritage. I did very quickly look up the list (albeit SA) of offences with a minimum jail term of 5 years. which I understood was at the crux of the argument for these protection type laws. the offences are generally quite serious, murder, manslaughter, recklessly causing harm etc....

http://www.lsc.sa.gov.au/dsh/print/ch11.php

from a legal perspective, I don't understand the rationale behind the nsw bars concerns. they have complexities wrapped up in history of the law and new laws like this might cause them some grief, who knows......the way I think about it laymans terms is that if your not involved in such serious activities and have never been trialled for such activities then it is extremely unlikely such police action would be taken against you. if someone did bad in the past but has cleaned up their act then I cant see the cops bothering with these laws either. they don't have time for this shit. but if some bloke is a the head of a bikie gang and has been trialled in the past for breaking serious laws and then the cops nail him with a SCPO because hes still suspected because hes still heading the gang and associating with blokes that did actually get nailed, then fuck him. he deserves all he gets. no sympathy. the fucker can quit the gang, clean up his act, and move on. I might sound draconian like the laws but have no time for anyone who dabbles in serious shit like this, or associates with anyone who does dabble, and anything that keeps my kid a little safer on the streets is a good thing.

German heritage?? Perhaps we're related, Herr happy lol.
Mate you do sound draconian.... Almost Howardesque.... These laws aren't gonna make your kid safer.... (What about the children.... Wont someone PERLEEEEEEZE think of the CHILDERUN!!) In fact far from it... You sitting on your hands, watching the freedoms our generation have enjoyed getting obliterated is setting up a horrid future for YOUR child..... A "real terrorist", if banned from a mosque, will just meet in secret, perhaps have secret places of worship... They simply get 12yos to do the bidding..... But what these laws WILL do is give the government power to arrest CSG proest organisers.... Remember back in march?? The new anti protest laws Baird brought in?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-16/nsw-increases-penalties-for-csg-pr...

These laws are a disgrace, happy..... And your blase acceptance is disheartening...
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/05/police-could-ban-a...

NSW has gone mad..... Cant go all night clubbing in Kings Cross... Cant even get a kebab.... And not so long ago, there was this;
http://www.cnet.com/au/news/critics-shocked-as-nsw-police-push-for-warra...

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Sheepdog Thursday, 5 May 2016 at 6:56pm
talkingturkey wrote:
Sheepdog wrote:
talkingturkey wrote:
zenagain wrote:

Or the super-duper mining resources tax TT? Ka-ching!

Sure, the poor fella at the 7/11. No avenues there for digging himself out of oppression.

I admire you TT seriously, no man left behind and all that. You can be my wingman anyday. Just make sure you take out a loan to buy a bigger wagon. I'm calling shotgun.

Kinda funny, Zen, but then again...yeah, nah.

Remember the hullabaloo when a mineral resources rent scheme was even mentioned, let alone implemented? Too little, too late...and pissy...but still the hysterics, the advertising campaigns, the end-of-the-world rhetoric.

Chuck in the carbon pricing as well (both things KRudd squibbed on), and the big end of town, despite being hit really by a fiscal wet lettuce, were rolling around on the ground like a Serie A pro. Gillard who actually did something copped it from all angles. BIG-TIME. Daily corporate media buckets.

JG out. Then TA in. Hopeless. Too hopeless. Then TA out, and ruthless free-marketeer M. Turdstill in. A right old 'merchant banker' (new rhyming slang).

The last PM that hit the big boys before Gillard's modest efforts copped it too. Whitlam.

And so it goes. BUT let's see if people are still going to swallow the same old corporate media kool-aid as before. Internet and social media, man. Exciting times to NOT be so brain-washed. It'll be some ironic shit if the internet kills off Mr Internet.

As for the 7-11 bloke, only a union can help him or would bother. What was that 7-11 fiasco about recently anyway? As for weekend work and penalty rates too. Pfffft, Mal will sort him...right out.

Comrade Zen, I'm driving a bus, get on-board if you want, might have to give up your seat for someone that needs it though, but still we'll all get there in one piece.

Paaaaarp..

Poor old Tinkles got a windy tum tum?