So who are you going to vote for?
Happy, I have spelled out why labor lost.... i spelled out why Labor was going to lose for the past 8 months... There was a very slight glimmer of hope post Feb, but people just could not warm to Shorten... As far as the Labor "team" went, I'd give them a B+... Their 2 female stars, Tanya, and Penny, were best on ground in a losing side..... Bowen was good, not spectacular, but good.... Albo was workman like.... Their captain had an ok first 1/2, but became frustrated late in the game, cranky, un captain like..... A few of the forwards had shockers - Feeney, Burke, Dreyfus didn't even get a possession.....
But all in all a good solid loyal stable performance, with fairly good policies.... So that beggars the question, why less than 2% increase in primary vote when a team puts forward a stable united party with decent policy? Why would more people vote for the coalition rabble?
They don't like Bill....... Yes, it's sad...... But Beazley not getting a go was sad....... Sadder in fact.... He copped some big external shit re' the whole Howard GWB scene....... But Shorten made his own bed by knifing 2 pm's....... And that will always be around his neck..
So Turnbull is better in the eyes of the electorate for only knifing one?
Abbots knifing was a get square by TURDYbull...an equaliiser.
Bull shittens backstabs give him a genuine lead on the scoreboard, I'm wondering when he'll GO?
He could always get a job with those companies he helped out in his union days.
Ah the penny has dropped .... this Shorten/knifing/unpopular with the electorate/lowest vote in history line of thought is like, mmmm, climate change, no matter the how or the what or the why the opinion aren't gunna change ........
FOR FUCK'S FUCKEN SAKE. To continue the footy analogy (jeezus wept), you fuckers have got to get off the corporate-sponsored flavoured sugar/salt water-ade.
Stop imbibing the stuff that's 'given' you and then regurgitating it. Or rather, stop spraying it over each other - 'cos it's shitty tasting but FREE - as you sing the club-song post-match.
The election was a DISASTER for TURDSTILL. A personal disaster. A political disaster for his 'team' and their 'game-plan'. Even with the amount of cascading corporate-sponsored flavoured sugar/salt water-ade splashed out there, his 'team' just scraped it in. From stratospheric personal approval ratings, after he shot, stabbed, ice-picked, and cremated Tony fucken Abbott (a true case for the power of personality politics, yeah?!), Lord Dickfists is now trailing behind guess who?
And they lost 14 seats! In a term. Or not even. Turdstill assassinated Tony in September.
And the senate! Ha ha! There were some runners supplying the corporate-sponsored flavoured sugar/salt water-ade that called the senate reforms and subsequent DD a 'genius' political move from supercoach Mal!
As for this ridiculous X factor 'cult of personality' shit, why swallow it? Why regurgitate it? Even if you think it's ridiculous X factor shit and you don't even watch it (much)? It's all the plebs fault. Them. They love it. They fall for it. Not me, no sirree. I like American Idol anyway. or Britain's got Talent. I mean, the missus does.
IMHO you're part of the problem or you're part of the solution. Easy. Especially in the pub. Or in the line-up. Or here. In the Men's Shed.
Interrogate don't regurgitate! BE the MEDIA!
Libs decided to play X factor HARD with Mr Internet, the 'sultana' on top of the dung-heap, this time round. Wonder why? Look at the front fucken bench! Now, there's a scare campaign! Fits right in with their 'individualist' ideology too.
Labor has gone back to the 'team' game. And after Kev Rudd, the Sunrise kid, Howard-lite, I say thank fuck for that. KR, another fizza like Turdstill.
And yes, Beige Shorten has united the Labor party. And going by the suite of policies worked on and released waaaaay before this election (years even...that in itself is pretty unprecedented)...and policies and announcements I might add that were pretty controversial, negative gearing, ETS, actually announcing they're going into a bigger deficit first term weeks out from polling day! That is unprecedented! Yes, Labor under Shorten have started the turn-away from neo-liberalism as unquestioned and unquestionable economic practice.
Sure, there's slipperiness, careful language, opportunism, populism, POLITICKING, but I think there was change, and there is change afoot. It may seem glacial in these whizz-bang times but it is progressive. It won't happen overnight etc etc
And then there's the LNP. Fuck. Back to the worst neo-liberal, trickle-down, un-funded-tax-cuts-for-the big-end-boys future. And they love it. Learned fuck-all from this result it seems. All someone else's fault. Take your pick. Immigrant Union Bikie Get-Up Thugs ringing grandmas in the middle of the night about Mediscare.
Bolt reckons Tones would've won the election 'Hanson-ly', erm, handsomely. Just ask him. Actually, you don't have to. It gets seeped into the media atmosphere free-of-charge...coming to a pub/club/forum near you.
Australian corpo-media. Time to shoot the messenger.
(whooops, too soon?)
Anyhow, get some Pie into ya!
Turkmanistan....... Floyd.......
Floyd asks, "So Turnbull is better in the eyes of the electorate for only knifing one?"
At 77 seats to 69, I think your question is answered... It doesn't matter what I think.... What matters is what the pokemon chasing fucktards of Australia think, Floyd....... And that is what i have been pointing out..... You can weep, Turkmanistan can go to the window and bellow how he's mad as hell.... But at the end of the day, the neocons won..... They won...... I'm not happy about it...... So start questioning why they won instead of basking in an "honourable loss"..... it might help win the next election.
SD, the point is you said "the electorate can't warm to a knifer" and yet Turnbull won, which would disprove your point.
Turnbul didn't knife Abbott in the way Rudd was knifed, mate....... Fair notice was given..... Wasn't abbott put on notice early in 2015? Didn't everyone see the knife? It's one thing to be taken on in a dagger fight... It's another to be knifed in the back.....
Doggo quote:
"It doesn't matter what I think.... What matters is what the pokemon chasing fucktards of Australia think..And that is what i have been pointing out."
"But at the end of the day, the neocons won."
Mad Turkey quote:
"As for this ridiculous X factor 'cult of personality' shit, why swallow it? Why regurgitate it? Even if you think it's ridiculous X factor shit and you don't even watch it (much)? It's all the plebs fault. Them. They love it. They fall for it. Not me, no sirree. I like American Idol anyway. or Britain's got Talent. I mean, the missus does.
IMHO you're part of the problem or you're part of the solution. Easy. Especially in the pub. Or in the line-up. Or here. In the Men's Shed.
Interrogate don't regurgitate! BE the MEDIA!"
What is the 'result' of this election? Liberals lost 14 seats. Turnbull Liberals in the main. Not Abbott Liberals. They even lost one to their Coalition partners the Nats. The Nats also regained all their seats from last time.
How does that fact effect how this Government, who campaigned on 'stability', govern? Internally, who, in this 'stable' government, will be calling the shots?
And then there's the others across the board.
There's Hanson. Big winner, relatively.
And then there's Xenophon. Another big winner. Again, relatively.
On or off-side with this 'stable' government?
Total Liberal wipe-out in Tassie. What does that mean?
Eden-Monaro. THE bell-wether seat. From 1972. Not now. Boundary changes to blame?
What's a neo-con, Doggo, in your estimation?
They winning, ya think?
Not just here either, but in the US? UK?
Corbyn, with pretty unprecedented member support, is dragging the UK Labour party back to the Left. The party and all the corporate media are resisting.
Sanders has done the same in the US to a degree. He's actually mentioned the word 'socialism' and brought it in from the cold. Without complete decimation. Far from it. All without corporate media support.
On the other side of the ledger, we have Trump and the new post-Brexit Tories, including Boris Johnson (again?!). There's definitely some 'con' there. Are they winning?
Neo-liberalism. Going from 'won' to 'winning' to...??????
In the US and UK voting is not compulsory. We know that. Their 'left' and 'right' are also different on their particular political spectrums too. Different from each other and different from us.
Implications from all this as to how Labor here changes further? And how they gain further support? And in particular, how they get their message out there?
"So start questioning why they won..."
THAT IS THE QUESTION INDEED.
I THINK THE CORPORATE MEDIA IS A HUGE PART OF THE ANSWER.
Circumvention, by all means, is necessary.
"Don't hate the media, become the media." - Eric Reed Boucher.
What we're doing and can do RIGHT HERE!
Poor Bill Shorten having to watch the LNP tear itself apart over superannuation .... and the fireworks begin, that Abetz loves all that glitter!
Imagine getting yr arse kicked in an election by MALrider turdbull?....Bully Shitten should resign OR call another election...He could ring all the pensioners late at night and scare em into going to the doctor.Tell em they got the ZEEKA virus...some of em will believe him.
Mad Turkey quote:
"As for this ridiculous X factor 'cult of personality' shit, why swallow it? Why regurgitate it? Even if you think it's ridiculous X factor shit and you don't even watch it (much)? It's all the plebs fault. Them. They love it. They fall for it. Not me, no sirree. I like American Idol anyway. or Britain's got Talent. I mean, the missus does.
IMHO you're part of the problem or you're part of the solution. Easy. Especially in the pub. Or in the line-up. Or here. In the Men's Shed.
Interrogate don't regurgitate! BE the MEDIA!"
What is the 'result' of this election? Liberals lost 14 seats. Turnbull Liberals in the main. Not Abbott Liberals. They even lost one to their Coalition partners the Nats. The Nats also regained all their seats from last time.
How does that fact effect how this Government, who campaigned on 'stability', govern? Internally, who, in this 'stable' government, will be calling the shots?
And then there's the others across the board.
There's Hanson. Big winner, relatively.
And then there's Xenophon. Another big winner. Again, relatively.
On or off-side with this 'stable' government?
Total Liberal wipe-out in Tassie. What does that mean?
Eden-Monaro. THE bell-wether seat. From 1972. Not now. Boundary changes to blame?
What's a neo-con, Doggo, in your estimation?
They winning, ya think?
Not just here either, but in the US? UK?
Corbyn, with pretty unprecedented member support, is dragging the UK Labour party back to the Left. The party and all the corporate media are resisting.
Sanders has done the same in the US to a degree. He's actually mentioned the word 'socialism' and brought it in from the cold. Without complete decimation. Far from it. All without corporate media support.
On the other side of the ledger, we have Trump and the new post-Brexit Tories, including Boris Johnson (again?!). There's definitely some 'con' there. Are they winning?
Neo-liberalism. Going from 'won' to 'winning' to...??????
In the US and UK voting is not compulsory. We know that. Their 'left' and 'right' are also different on their particular political spectrums too. Different from each other and different from us.
Implications from all this as to how Labor here changes further? And how they gain further support? And in particular, how they get their message out there?
"So start questioning why they won..."
THAT IS THE QUESTION INDEED.
I THINK THE CORPORATE MEDIA IS A HUGE PART OF THE ANSWER.
Circumvention, by all means, is necessary.
"Don't hate the media, become the media." - Eric Reed Boucher.
What we're doing and can do RIGHT HERE!
"IMHO you're part of the problem or you're part of the solution."
I've heard that sort of rhetoric before, Turkmanistan.....
There's so much I could write in regards to your lates post.... But honestly why bother..... Fact is, The coalition won the election, and no manner of Andrew Bolt like tantrums or pointing out the farther right National party got gains, or that "on the ground" the 3 amigos in tassie acted like total pigs when in public down there for 3 years (small place, tassie), the fact is The coalition is in power, and Labor isn't...
what we've got here, is failure to communicate.
Doggo, 'king' of the memes (you may have to google 'doggo' and 'dank meme')
AND (like Georgie-boy)...
Yes, "uneasy lies the head that wears the crown", Lord Sheeeeeepdog.
Turkmanistan... You've really lost your touch in recent times.... Was it the bruising encounter with Blowin? Maaaate, if ya respond, at least have some substance WITH the meme.... Not just pissant "am not you are" crap....
Firstly you write "Interrogate don't regurgitate! BE the MEDIA!""....... Then straight away after that you regurgitate an Andrew Bolt fur ball........ "What is the 'result' of this election? Liberals lost 14 seats. Turnbull Liberals in the main. Not Abbott Liberals. "
Bullshit, mate...... i know Bolt has been spilling this crap.... But it's bullshit..... Stop reading his page for a while...... The "3 amigos" in tassie, that you made mention of, were ALL public Abbott supporters...... All 3 wiped..... Jamie Briggs , a turnbull supporter, was involved in a pre election scandal, and was taken down by Xenophon , not Labor.... So the seat of Mayo had nothing to do with Abbott.... Anne Aly was helped by some gutter tactics that backfired on the coalition... Even then she only JUST won... Peter Hendy was sabotaged by his own party via leaked emails.... And there's more and more..
So take your own advice, big buddy.... Stop regurgitating, and start looking deeper into it...
Doggo, are you really a goldfish? Do you even look at your own stuff, like two or three posts ago?
"Maaaate, if ya respond, at least have some substance WITH the meme.... Not just pissant "am not you are" crap...."
Let's all just sit and reflect on that little gem. COMING FROM YOU! Beam me up...
Doggo, are you also an ADHD goldfish? The way you skim and jump. Wait, you're an ADHD Mexican Jumping Fish...on ice?!
Slow down...breathe...read...
"Turnbull Liberals in the main." IN THE MAIN. IN THE MAIN.
Bolt?? Huh?? Let me guess, Bolt is spruiking for his BFF and the Abbottite 'Delcons' within his beloved party?
Every other commentator, be they corpo-media, online, professional, amateur, political, academic, Left, Right, sideways, that is looking at the FACT of the divisions within the LNP is totally wrong?
You saying there are no divisions? That after knifing, shooting, ice-picking etc etc Tones, with a ballot result of 54 - 44 mind, and then literally flopping over the election line, whilst losing party political allies, Mal can safely proclaim "stable government starts now"? There are no implications flowing from this election 'result'? Nothing to see here?
Your messy morass of a comment is beyond confusing and confounding. Am I just punchy...bruised and confused...again (according to you)? You're attributing my questions with Bolt's narrative take? I thought I asked questions. ASKED QUESTIONS. Like you said:
"So start questioning why they won ..... it might help win the next election."
Too many questions it seems?
(Though the role of activist groups, the union movement, and grass-roots Labor faithful in on-the-ground and online engagement, which bypassed the corpo-media and usual channels, is interesting for the future. The impact of Get-up, say in Tassie? Bernardi for one is interested.)
Doggo quote:
"It doesn't matter what I think.... What matters is what the pokemon chasing fucktards of Australia think..And that is what i have been pointing out."
"But at the end of the day, the neocons won."
AGAIN, I ASK:
"What's a neo-con, Doggo, in your estimation?
They winning, ya think?"
Re: my meme, checked the tunes thread?
Like Costanza, a little respect is due your way, Lord Sheeeeeepdog.
Yeah, naaaah.
"Doggo, are you really a goldfish? Do you even look at your own stuff, like two or three posts ago?"
Is there 2 sets of rules to this? Rules of play for turk, and rules of play for everyone else?.. All this "you saying there are no divisions".... And stuff..... Mate, if you go back, you'll see I was talking about Labor, and why THEY lost.... A critique on LAAAYBA maaaaaate...... They're the one that lost, right?
Turkmanistan..... here ya go mung bean..... Lets look at the posts, 2 3 , 4 back..... it was about why LAAAAAAYBA lost.......
https://www.swellnet.com/forums/politico/15126?page=5
Starts from here;
"All true, Floyd.... But what about the Shorten dilemma?
1 - lost the election
2 - 2nd lowest primary vote for Labor in history
3 - Also has to deal with the likes of Hanson Hinch etc in the senate, as well as the greens.
4- Still not popular as a leader with the electorate
5- False dawn will keep an inept leader in charge of the party
6- party too scared to change leader for fear of coalition attack
Wedged good and proper......"
I then have 6 posts in a row about LAAAAAYBA.......
"In the main".... " In the Main".............
Like "de plane de plane" from Fantasy island?
Are you a "little person", Stan?
All well and good critiquing the winner of the election...... But what about the party that lost? Nahh..... Too hard basket...... Which i expected....
And even if the hard right do dethrone Turnbuckle, and Abbott comes back, it's still 3 years maaaaate....... Coz shunter lost......... Come on..... Say it...... You know you can....... labor llllllllllloosssttttt......
btw Nothing like a bit of terrorism or a breakout in the south china sea to get the juices flowing...... And those crazy libs are just so good in testing times , right? pfffffft.....
Wowee.
Little respect for Doggo, lord of the idiots, indeed.
Pricey, you out there? Sammy? Eddie? Got another member for your 'un-self-awareness dysfunction' support group here.
BYOM*
*bring ya own mirror
Wow..... The butthurt continues......
Whenever a debate is lost, they resort to name calling......
Instead of the butthurt, perhaps put across why YOU think Labor didn't win, yeah?
And honestly Turkmanistan, do you really think I care what you think of me? Bahahahahaha ........
Hmmm, interesting. I've noticed THAT focus a lot round the usual suspect media traps post-election. Who won again (apparently)?
Is that what Mad Turkey is hinting at?
LNPs economic policy shot down in flames, again ...... #nomandate
Good meme floyd. For me the wool parted once I saw the wealth concentration stats that started coming out about 5-6 years ago (not that I voted LNP before that but I wasn't really what was the truth). We live in the greatest era of wealth inequality ever conceived. The rich, large corporates and multinationals have taken over our democracies while selling a convenient lie about free markets, competition and low taxation. Bunch of utter cunts.
mk1 ... Turnbull confirmed (in his opposition to Labor's proposed action against negative gearing) that there was no modelling to support his view that it (Labor's proposal) would reduce house prices and increase rents .... basically, it was trust me, I know best statement ........ Likewise there is no modelling here or anywhere that categorically proves that a tax cut to big business increases growth and jobs ...... its a discredited policy dating back to Reagan and Thatcher but what is beyond doubt it redistributes tax payers money upwards to the mega wealthy.
#nomandate #turnbullhasnomandate
Yeah, yeah, but what will Labor do?
(Rolls eyes)
Yeah, yeah, I know I'm banging on over nothing, its only $50 billion in tax cuts to mostly big business which will only have a small impact on the deficit.
S&B. They are at least some small step backwards from the neo con abyss, and they are a viable political choice available now - re the better of a bad choice. But generally, I am a non believer in labour but pragmatic about the options.
Sarcasm bypass. Just parroting the corporate media focus (In the main! Hah!) post-election.
I concur most heartily. Steps in the 'right' direction.
I normally put both major parties last and any crazy independent parties first, as for me there all as bad as each other and anything they say they will rarely do.
But this time, im voting labour for Kevin, i was happy to see karma come around and bite Julia and of all the people in politics since good old Bob Hawk, i like Kevin the best.
He's proven him self to be a fighter hes come back from what seem like the dead, to me i think he has what it takes to be a leader a leader needs to be a bit arrogant and do what they believe, I also like that he understands the importance of Australia's relationship with SE asia, obviously like any politician and political party, he's far from perfect and any government is going to waste money, the way i look at it at least with things like NBN we will all be of benefit, and i want damn fast internet through my smart TV.
On the other hand i cant stand Tony, he just seems so negative plus i know its silly but i just cant trust people who wear budgie smugglers, i really have no idea why the Liberals stick with him, plus Liberals seem good at managing money but they only seem to look after the people who have heaps of money.
So who ya, going to vote for?
PS. lets keep it civil yeah :)