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blindboy started the topic in Monday, 14 Aug 2017 at 8:00pm

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CryptoKnight commented Monday, 30 Apr 2018 at 10:58pm

'The opinions of scientists and doctors, outside their fields of expertise, have no more weight than those of a non-scientist.'

'World-renowned in the fields of neuroscience and genetics, Dr. Rudolph Tanzi is the Joseph P. and Rose F. Kennedy Professor of Neurology at Harvard Medical School. He also serves as Vice-Chair of Neurology and Director of the Genetics and Aging Research Unit at Massachusetts General Hospital. . Dr. Tanzi is considered a visionary scientist and great communicator.'

Please stop, please evolve, evolve with us blinde. Let the fear go. I forgive you. Rudy... Rudy... is only helping you. No need to fear... anymore!!! Don't blow up any more genes, blinde?! Forgive the prawn. For goodness sake. Its old news, the wild colonial boy. It seemed a great idea at the time, but it doesn't go well in the end. You know that.

'Yeh totally screwed, hips gone, sacro-iliac stuffed, brain turned to jello, gut turned into a methane production unit.'

In a nutshell, please evolve blinde. Don't be a swillnut forever.

In a nutshel, don't fear Richo on that twinnie any longer either. The one that won that big barrel riding comp against all the thrusters, that the official swillnuts 'proved' was shit in the barrel. The, to quote the legendary winner, 'best board ever in the barrell' The swillnuts are afraid of a lot of things. Its enough to make their...

In a nutshell, never let the truth stand in a way of a good story!!!

Evolve blinde!!! I know you can do it!!!!?

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blindboy commented Tuesday, 1 May 2018 at 8:11am

Tanzi's work as far as I can determine has been in the genetics of Alzheimer's and other neurological diseases. If he has published anything to support the claims made in his pop science books, I cannot find it. As it stands then it is fair comment to say that these assertions are outside his field of expertise. If you have evidence of publications relating to these claims, provide the links.

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blindboy commented Tuesday, 1 May 2018 at 11:32am

The video is a classic of pseudo-science. Get some one with qualifications and (if possible) credibility in a related field. Start off with an image of scientific equipment. Use scientific vocabulary and hey presto......it's proven factual science.......except it's not. Let me deconstruct some of the arguments here. Let's start with evolution since it is generally poorly understood. He claims that human evolution has a direction towards greater development of the frontal cortex. The problem is that, as you would learn in Evolution 101, ......... Evolution has no direction. What this means is that a past evolutionary trend in one direction is not evidence that the trend will continue. These trends often reverse themselves. Consider the extinct dwarf elephant from Flores. The trend towards increased size in elephant evolution reversed once the species was isolated on an island. In human terms the trend to greater brain size reversed itself after the Neanderthals. Our brains are smaller. So implying a future direction for the evolution of the human brain is profoundly unscientific. If we dig a bit deeper into the evidence from mice on the impact of brain states on gene function again we hit major problems. The first is that the fundamental cause of these changes are not the changes in the brain but the changes in the environment. Yes if you stress mice their gene function will change and these changes are inevitably mediated by the brain since, as Doc Tanzi emphasises, all sensory data is interpreted by the brain, but to say that the brain causes the changes in gene function is profoundly and dangerously misleading. The reasons for this go beyond science and into economics and politics. The neoliberal creed is one of personal responsibility and how better to emphasise that than to claim that positive thinking is the cure all for our problems. This is ammunition for the blame-the-victim Neo-liberal Warriors. Whatever problems you have are the result of your poor thought processes and have nothing to do with our inadequate funding of basic services such as child care, education and health. Any realistic analysis of personal health must include the environment. Our pre-frontal cortex does give us the potential for greater emotional control but, as the evening news always demonstrates, this is far from absolute. If we want a better world we need to change the world, create better healthier environments. Do that and our brains and behaviour will follow along. Sitting and studying your navel is certainly calming but it takes us no nearer to the world we should be leaving for future generations.

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CryptoKnight commented Tuesday, 1 May 2018 at 4:22pm

I forgive you blinder!!! Again!!!

'Whatever problems you have are the result of your poor thought processes and have nothing to do with our inadequate funding of basic services such as child care, education and health. Any realistic analysis of personal health must include the environment.'

Which boils down to an expression of poor thought process. Change the thoughts, change the environment.

Traditional Indigenous Australians got it, as the record shows, better than anyone.

I knew you would want to get Doc Tanzi. Its the old, do a job on him. The wild west, getting wilder. In the old days he would have been flayed and torched by now. Its a much more cunning approach now.

Its like watching a drop tail skink fighting its own tail!

Your comments show no understanding, and real, valid, result producing experience, especially re meditation.

As you highlight, this is your actual result. That you cling to, frozen with fear of the unknown. Ignoring results. The wild colonial 'foundation'.

Which, in your own words, produced,

'Yeh totally screwed, hips gone, sacro-iliac stuffed, brain turned to jello, gut turned into a methane production unit.'

Anyway, thankfully the eminent Doc Tanzi, a gun in the fields that you are witch hunting, won't be fazed. Luv ya work Doc Tanzi!

"I had folks emailing me, ex-mentors — Nobel laureates — saying, 'Rudy have you lost your mind?' Luckily neither Rob nor I have a really good track record of listening to people."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/02/18/580475245/scientist...

I forgive you blinde!!!

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blindboy commented Tuesday, 1 May 2018 at 5:51pm

His work on Alzheimer's is irrelevant. Tell me again what the huge breakthrough is? Thinking influences gene expression? Jesus H Christ crypto, tell me something that doesn't influence gene expression. Eating exercise, breathing, shiny things, everything influences gene expression that's how we work, that's how cells work. We agree that indigenous culture flourished in an environment managed to maximise well being. We also agree that our current environment does not do this. We disagree on how this might be changed. You appear to be suggesting the contemplation of navels. I suggest a collective removal of arses from positions of comfort and being active in the world. As I said above don't fall for Neo-liberal nonsense, it is not all about personal responsibility it is about working together to create something better.

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CryptoKnight commented Thursday, 3 May 2018 at 12:48am

Regarding this comment about Doc Tanzi, a world renowned, recognized expert and teacher in neurology and genealogy, at the highest level.

'His work on Alzheimer's is irrelevant.'

No, in a nut shell, you couldn't be more wrong blinde. But, then again, never underestimate the power of conditioning, maybe you could!!? God knows, no doubt, you'll give it your all?!

http://reset.me/story/using-neuroplasticity-to-be-smarter-and-happier/

But, in a nutshell, swillnuts never let the truth get in the way of a good story!!!

The truth about thoughts, and the brain changes and devolpment throw much light on the development of Traditional Indigenous Australian Cultures, and the evolution and creation of their brains, and their expression, their not even remotely matched success and results, compared to the opposite scenario, the bloodbath and overall environmental disaster that is the western expression and result.

Yet, it is so exciting, evolve blinde!!! Save yourself from your projection, your expression.

'Yeh totally screwed, hips gone, sacro-iliac stuffed, brain turned to jello, gut turned into a methane production unit.'

' You appear to be suggesting the contemplation of navels. '

In a nutshell, this reflex jab, shows a huge lack of knowledge and experience... again. but that's ok, evolve!!! Its totally doable!!!

Love ya work Doc Tanzi and co!

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blindboy commented Thursday, 3 May 2018 at 4:08pm

Crypto, I never thought that you could be so easily swayed by an authority figure. Neuroplasticity is old news, last decade stuff and like many interesting scientific developments before it, think human genome project, it has been over-hyped and used opportunistically to claim all sorts of possibilities that will never quite emerge. Doc Tanzi is just another over excitable type, prone to forget that scepticism is the backbone of science. Don't believe it until the data is there.

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batfink commented Friday, 4 May 2018 at 12:35pm

Welcome back CK, in your new guise. As Southey said, I spend a bit too much time working and not flitting about on the webs and look what I've missed.

BB, I'd suggest that fighting it is not necessarily the best course of action. There is a lot of not very humble truth in CK's meanderings, and it's worth trying to sort the wheat from the chaff.

On genes generally, I am playing around with a new idea. I suspect science may come towards this, that we are not much more than programmed robots, with genes as the code, and that even individual momentary thoughts and actions may be entirely programmed for us. We might not be individuals at all, or even beings as we currently understand the term.

Mere fleshy robots. Perhaps we are just slaves to our genes, on a much deeper and more specific level than currently considered possible - free willed humans in a free environment.

Maybe not.

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CryptoKnight commented Friday, 4 May 2018 at 2:01pm

Why thank you batfink. Yeh, brokeback chicken soufll'e is always busy main manning the 4 major coastlines that he pioneered (wiv a boawt)... the WC's SA & Vic, NW and SW WA, not mention Rotto. And not to mention that devastating, almost wave of the millennium wipeout... that lead to the highchair... now Gary's domain.

Humble?

'Hey everyone hows the mind blowing sunset! Come and check out the light show, nature in its full glory!'

'Yeh, righto sunset, tone it down ya smart arse cunt!'

'Shit its barely a flicker, pretty dull too.'

'Yeh exactly mate, its a real little humble beauty hey.'

Sounds like an invention of one of Liz and Phil's lot, 'humble', to keep the serf's and uppity slaves in line. Fuck that. Works wonders for them though, as they ride the gold encrusted chopper down to visit the grandy's. Zombie humblers waving their flags up at 'em, hoping they'll chuck a bit of corgi shit out on em, or even a stuffed corgi, to mount on the mantle piece.

Nah, you can have that batfink.

'The opinions of scientists and doctors, outside their fields of expertise, have no more weight than those of a non-scientist.'

'His work on Alzheimer's is irrelevant.'

Nah totally wrong blinde. Don't blame you for dodging it. You can breath in and eat as much sand as you like, but, it's, the truth, plain as day.

Boydo (not to be confused with bordo) sinks it home in her vid.

'Crypto, I never thought that you could be so easily swayed by an authority figure.'

Nah, the memory blinde... evolve son!!!

You forgot what doc said... again.

"I had folks emailing me, ex-mentors — Nobel laureates — saying, 'Rudy have you lost your mind?' Luckily neither Rob nor I have a really good track record of listening to people."

He's gunning em down blinde, him and his gang... ya gotta love it. The nerve of bringing 2pack Chakras into the hallowed science halls! He's gunning yas down blinde!!!

'Yeh totally screwed, hips gone, sacro-iliac stuffed, brain turned to jello, gut turned into a methane production unit.'

In a nutshell, no doubt ya methane's got a bite to it blinde, and by all accounts its not humble, but ya gotta bring more to the party than that son!

Luv ya work doc!

By the way, hows that wave of the day... I bet he's praying its a humble cunt!

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CryptoKnight commented Friday, 4 May 2018 at 4:33pm

Evolve blinde... over this way son!!! Don't go over the cliff, with em, into slattsey's ayahuasca pond, don't do it... let em go ... please, not again blinde!!!

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blindboy commented Friday, 4 May 2018 at 5:41pm

No worries there crypto, I am doing lots of surfing, lots of other exercise, doing masses of serious reading, still working (3 days, hence all the surfing), feeling pretty free, making music with some old mates, cruising the coast when it's worth the effort. Always get a laugh from your posts.

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CryptoKnight commented Friday, 4 May 2018 at 11:40pm

I like it blinder. Stoked that you are making more music, I am privileged to have a genuine example of your musical insights and talent. And stoked the window's now open and the methane has evacuated. Plus I must admit, although it was never in doubt, Im somewhat flattered that my posts are considered serious reading.

Yeh, laughter is the best medicine... and it gives me great comfort to know that you are laughing with me, not at me...

I still hold a vision, of you hooking into one, a bomb, the jungle framing one side, the purple coral glinting through the glass, and despite the ban, unable to hold back the claim... as you scream out and carve into channel, only to see...

Shit, no, no don't go it crypt... oh no... no... nooo... oh yeh... oh yeh, yeh... Yeh... YEh... YEH... YYYEEEEHHHH... YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS...
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

This reminds me so much of blax blinder, and that Twinnie Ledge too. But see, there's this other bay. A long, long way from slattsey's pond. Not even remotely close.

Practice the YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWSSSSSSSS blinder!!! Because even though you'll try, God knows you'll try, it will just burst out, uplifting, and methane free!!!

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blindboy commented Monday, 7 May 2018 at 6:44pm

Yeh it's all good crypto, just taking the piss out of myself with the earlier comments, though there is a bit of wear and tear on the under-carriage. I just keep it strong and mobilised and no problem. Sorry for the slow reply we have been cruising the south coast off network looking for the right spot for our escape from the big smoke.

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CryptoKnight commented Monday, 7 May 2018 at 11:13pm

That sounds deluxe.

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CryptoKnight commented Tuesday, 8 May 2018 at 12:27am

Hot of the press!!!! Better late than never!!!! 'Breakthrough' (sic) nutrition!! Advance Australia fair!!! 'Long term (sic) study'!!!???

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180507074212.htm

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blindboy commented Tuesday, 8 May 2018 at 8:12am

OK it's omelettes, not fish cakes! Particularly in the Maldives, the Mercury data is scary there. I would bet the levels would be high around Lombok and Sumbawa too from its use in gold mining.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180503142644.htm

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blindboy commented Saturday, 26 May 2018 at 5:09pm

More to add to the mounting evidence that surfing is dangerous to your health. We really need to let people know about this. We could be breathing in anything.
https://scripps.ucsd.edu/news/researchers-identify-bacteria-and-viruses-...

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O-Men commented Monday, 11 Jun 2018 at 10:24pm

I haven't read this whole thread yet but I can unreservedly say that the quacks have got it terribly wrong, the amount of protein recommended for adults is insanely underestimated to the point that it is the driving force behind the global obesity epidemic . Try more than 50% of daily calories from protein for maximum health. Carbs are used by the body to fuel intense excercise.
Edit:Govt recommendation is 0.7g per kg of lean body mass. For maximum health you would need around 4-6g of protein per kg of body weight . And for most of us looking for good health it's going to be about 2-4g. 0.7g of protein per kg body mass is PATHETIC and is killing millions. If you're doing marathons, triathlons or lots of endurance type exercise you will need more carbs but you are also taxing you're health and are at risk of some nasty inflammatory diseases. Just ask all the enduros who died spontaneously ,some of who still walk with pacemakers in their chests. The foundation of every meal should be a quality protein source best of all meat. Every few hours is ideal too so that's meat five times a day. If you surf regularly and have to paddle hard you can almost maximise you're cardio vascular potential and get strong too but if you love surfing large heavy waves you're gonna surf heaps better if you do some heavy, explosive , short duration training, ideally with heavy weights , with or without a gym.

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O-Men commented Monday, 11 Jun 2018 at 8:32pm

Protein regulates appetite. Carbs and fats have little leverage over appetite.

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O-Men commented Wednesday, 13 Jun 2018 at 10:13am

I'm gunna talk about deadlifts here. Ok freeride was asking about deadlifts. Such a good question given its deep relevance to surfing. The deadlift is actually the most fundamental and least complicated action our bodies can make. It is what we are doing when we bend over and pick something up. We are all practically born deadlifting, way before we can walk. If you take off and drop vertically 15 or 20 feet on a wave, crouch right down and let the fins n tail dig, fk me you're gonna be deadlifting through the g out point to project along your line. You're deadlifting more than your body weight . Because deadlifts are the most natural of all trainable movements I always teach it first. And due to its application to surfing it is one of the only training exercises that I would train surfers in.

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O-Men commented Wednesday, 13 Jun 2018 at 10:53pm

Had a bit more of a look at the thread now, that video of the bloke with the hex bar is downright quirky , that's a bad way to do deadlifts. The execution looks good and the advise is on execution is good ( however a bit lean as CK said ). But it's just not the most effective deadlift. The hex bar limits range of movement and also limits overload, overload being the resistance which provides the growth. The more overload you can handle the more effective the lifts. One should always get medical clearance before embarking on a lifting program and if there are back injuries or anomalies then the whole approach might need to be modified, not just deadlifts (surfing is also way out of the question in that case). However if you're good to go then this is the best way. The deadlift should be thought of as a back exercise. Use a straight bar only, set it below the knees in height . Set your feet at about shoulder width and parallel to each other so they point straight ahead. Have the bar rest against your shins. Now with regards to you're back , you need to maintain the natural posture and movement of the spine right through the the lift (ie how your back is when you stand tall). You're going to bend down and grab the bar just outside the legs with both palms facing backwards (the double overhand grip, use straps too.). Just as you go to lean forewards make sure your butt moves backwards and as you feel the lower back muscles engage, slightly squeeze the abdominals to lock in the lower back. You should also have a good breath of air and hold it because this pressurises the body cavity and gives it firmness. Keep your chest out a bit and your shoulders back slightly, not much. When you grab the bar your back needs to be very close to horizontal so that your shoulders are very slightly above or even level with your hips. This is one of the problems with the hex bar method in the vid, the body is way too upright. This is important, you need to have your body right over the bar for maximum strength and power. It is much safer than being more upright, because it is more natural, maintaining a less natural forced position takes more thought. Sooo many push the upright deadlift because "there is more leg drive and the legs are stronger" but this is false . The upright method isolates the front of the legs more and has the shins leaning forewards too much, putting knees in a bad position, also you won't pull the bar through the knees, hence the silly hex bar. The back of the legs is stronger than the front ,and the hamstring, glute, lumbar spine combination is far stronger than the quads in isolation. Isolation always limits overload. Now you're going to pull the bar up until you are standing upright with the bar at your waist. Just as you are about to pull it up, take a moment to make sure the bar is close to your shins and tense up so that you don't slump forewards as the bar leaves the floor. Your weight needs to be centred just forewards of your heals, keep your heals on the ground , don't let the lower back round off and don't flex it the other way either. Now as you launch , with your legs ,keep the back in this almost horizontal position until the bar clears the knees then start straightening at the hips to keep the bar close to the thighs. Stand upright ,don't lean back and don't pull the shoulders right back. Take a new breath and lower the bar the same way you raised it. Place it on the floor, reset ,and go again. This exercise is one of the most potent , effective movements because it uses all of the muscles at once and provides the largest stimulus in the shortest time with the least energy spent. Start light to get the feel of it and you only need to do two sets one day a week. Start with weight you can use for ten reps and after a couple of months , fast progress will be made with an eight rep max. Even heavier and maximum results will come from a 4-6 rep max. Progressively add weight until you're satisfied that you can rip any wave a new arsehole and then just lift the same weight for maintenance . Note if the bar is hitting the knees you are not staying over the bar for long enough or the weight may be too hvy. As for videos there is a bloke called Skip La Cour , he is a legendary drug free bodybuilder and a consummate deadlift master. You won't see any more effective execution than his. Not much video on the net but you should watch his entire back workouts if you can find em. I'll try to put something up if I can, if anyone's interested, if Freeride is still lookin, there you go mate.

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freeride76 commented Thursday, 14 Jun 2018 at 9:53am

sweet, cheers mate.

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happyasS commented Thursday, 14 Jun 2018 at 6:30pm

A protein requirement of 6g per kg of bodyweight is equivalent to a 100kg bloke eating 1.8kg of chicken everyday.

Right up front I question the source of this information.

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O-Men commented Thursday, 14 Jun 2018 at 8:56pm

Chicken is about 20% protein raw so at 100 kg body weight that's 3kg of chooks.

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O-Men commented Friday, 15 Jun 2018 at 7:19pm

Paul Delia , founder of Ast-ss, and Paul Cribb, metabolic physiologist, created the Max-Ot training series in the 90s for the development of maximum human strength and fitness , ( health). They had two representative athletes, Skip La Cour and Jeff Willet , who both achieved the most astounding results on the program. They were consuming more than 6g of protein per kg of body weight during their off season training. I've lived by their philosophy to various degrees over 23 years and apart from being one of the most profound learning experiences , I can easily see how those blokes could achieve what they did , steroid free, despite what the armchair critics say. Nobody who disputes what these blokes claim have actually tried the prescription. Usually they say ," That's too much protein" or , " That training philosophy is incorrect." . But they have never even come close to trying it. Scientists are only just now , after all this time since the bogus studies, revisiting this dietary protein topic in an effort to get a grip on this massive global health problem , modern inflammatory diseases. Soon , it seems, about 1.2g protein per kg bw will be the recommendation but Paul Cribb has been doing studies on humans with double that at 2.4g/kg with nothing but positive results. He says that, now , good studies are showing even better health benefits from higher level intakes and that people consuming way over 3G/kg show absolutely zero detriment to kidneys , or any part of the body ,only healthy results . There's a pattern emerging too. Look at a study by Stephen Simpson and David Raubenheimer called," Obesity , The Protein Leverage Hypothesis" , which draws on a proven fact ,that protein is the appetite regulator, to suggest that if we don't meet the target, we're gonna eat too much energy trying. The pattern looks may suggest that you really can't eat too much protein, or its damned hard to at worst.

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CryptoKnight commented Saturday, 16 Jun 2018 at 8:41am

Are you using the same mass machine prohormones and drugs, glenbuterol, ephedrine etc, that Skip Lecour used when competing O-men. Although they were legal in bodybuilding competition back then in the US, even back then they were illegal in most sports and athletics? He was much more open about it early on. And, I mean Ronnie is drug free too, as was Lance and co.

Also re your deadlifting comments, they are absolutely, irrefutably totally incorrect. And that has been proven at the most elite level, far beyond the likes of 'natural' bodybuilding. Maybe you have never used a hexbar? The links I previously posted, and have re - posted here, totally, unequivocally quash your comments.

https://www.strongerbyscience.com/trap-bar-deadlifts/

https://www.mensjournal.com/sports/money-lift-how-top-flight-trainer-dis...

https://bretcontreras.com/if-you-could-only-do-one-lift/

http://main.poliquingroup.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/1352/T...

As for that common, two stage, hips rising too early technique you describe O- men, that is the 'form' used by many people who's back's I have successfully rehabbed.

Lecour's video's rare? Anyone can find them with ease. I read all his stuff, years ago when he was in vogue in the bodybuilding mags and world. You can still find it all with minimal effort.

His last secret 'breakthrough', which these days actually is really rare and impossible to find, was the mass machine super supplements, which... well... anyway. Really?

Bodybuilding. The total opposite to peak athletic performance. A competition ready bodybuilder is incapable of maximum athletic performance. The techniques and knowledge required to compete in any bodybuilding contest, are as far removed from health, well being and athletic performance as could be possible. I've trained body builders who have done well, and always advise them to go in another direction, for their well being. However, they are a special breed, like anorexics reversed.

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O-Men commented Saturday, 16 Jun 2018 at 8:29am

Hey Cryp can you please find us online footage from Skip's "Packing on Muscle Max-Ot style." , video two, deadlifts for "back" . Where ,towards the end of his competitive career , he demonstrates the penultimate deadlift execution, with the double overhand grip and the horizontal back position. Cheers mate. Family fun in the sun then later I will explain briefly why the base level almost science, non deluxe , nor elite, opinion you presented is, well, bunkum, inappropriate and impertinent .

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zenagain commented Saturday, 16 Jun 2018 at 8:55am

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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CryptoKnight commented Saturday, 16 Jun 2018 at 9:17am

Hey o-men, can you please comment on the mass of irrefutable evidence at the elite level irrefutably and unequivocally quashing your hexbar deadlift comments. Maybe start with this one. that's if your not too busy or exhausted comp prepping or eating? Maybe start with this one.

https://www.mensjournal.com/sports/money-lift-how-top-flight-trainer-dis...

And can you please answer whether or not you used the same mass machine prohormones and drugs, glenbuterol, ephedrine etc, that Skip Lecour used when competing O-men. Although they were legal in bodybuilding competition back then in the US, even back then they were illegal in most sports and athletics. He was much more open about it early on. And, I mean Ronnie is drug free too, as was Lance and co.

Here's Lacour deadlifting.

And no, the first sloppy swing is actually a row, so don't mistake that for his deadlift, and the second sloppy swing is actually a lat pulldown, so don't mistake that for a hip hinge either. If you go to the 6 minute mark you see his form where he tries to keep his hips down in the proper muscle developing form. If you go to the 8 minute mark where commonly he is not strong enough for the weight he tries to impress with, and too lazy to do that, he commonly tries to set the same position, but lo and behold his hips rise up too early and the common freestyle, zen like, useless two stage pull kicks in.

This world champion sports and athlete trainer describes that too common sloppiness and weakness like this.

'Like most trainers, Flaherty is a stickler for form, and he calls these microscopic movement dysfunctions “power leaks.” I have more than a single power leak, including one that stems from an underdeveloped vastus medialis obliques, otherwise known as the teardrop-shaped part of the quadriceps that sits inside the knee.

To ultimately improve my hex-bar deadlift, he says, I need to “plug those leaks” and restore balance and efficiency of movement with a series of smaller exercises.

'(According to Flaherty, the popular canon of complex bilateral movements, like squats and Olympic lifts, actually mask those little deficiencies, so it’s important to look for them.)'

https://www.mensjournal.com/sports/money-lift-how-top-flight-trainer-dis...

And ooooh, can you please find where we can get the amazing Lacour mass producing secret supplement range? (But not the the same mass machine prohormones and drugs, glenbuterol, ephedrine etc, that Skip Lecour used when competing O-men. Although they were legal in bodybuilding competition back then in the US, even back then they were illegal in most sports and athletics.)

Cheers mate!

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happyasS commented Saturday, 16 Jun 2018 at 11:43am

The 6min mark is a submaximal deadlift. He can lift this way (low hips) because the submaximal weight doesn't require full engagement of the posterior chain. His deadlift then becomes a more quad dominant deadlift such as used to train for the clean.

At the 6.40 minute mark he has increased the weight and low and behold before the weight comes off the floor the hips rise to a point that engages the posterior chain.

Full engagement of the posterior chain for a heavy deadlifts requires higher hips. Anatomy says so, not me. Maximal deadlifts never come off the floor with low hips.

The 8min mark is very sloppy form.

Some people don't get injured backs because they are genetic freaks.

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CryptoKnight commented Saturday, 16 Jun 2018 at 2:15pm

Gidday happyaaS, regarding this comment:

'Full engagement of the posterior chain for a heavy deadlifts requires higher hips. Anatomy says so, not me. Maximal deadlifts never come off the floor with low hips.'

Maybe not maximal for you guys, but here you see how hard deadlifting legend Green fights to pre-stretch load, and simultaneously keep his hips down, and then fights to drive them forward rather than let them pop up into that high position.

Also, in this world record lift below at the 10 minute mark, again, maybe submaximal for swillnuts, in a nutshell, using the low hip prestretch, the weight is simultaneously pulled off the floor with the lifter fighting to not let the hips pop up, but rather drive them under the shoulders. Then jump to the 12 minute mark, to see that world record broken, and an even a lower hip, more upright position held throughout the lift. Again though, perhaps sub maximal in a nutshell... for swillnuts. Also keep watching for a little while for the real world consequences of creating maximum (again... not for swillnuts though) pressure and tension.

I work each year with Australia's strongest men in a deadlifting scenario. Its easy to find on the gym website. If you want to go down that maximal loading road, be prepared for dealing with constant injury, constant pain, and regularly bulged discs. Its par for the course. Strong men, including elite power lifters, don't retire because they want to, the injuries, usually back and hip related, force them to in the end.

But I agree happyasS, There are many ways, and thus reasons to lift, including deadlift. For health, well being and maximum athletic improvement, as I pointed out in the deadlifting videos I posted in the muscles thread, I always use a low hip, relatively upright, less spinal shear force, style for my clients and self where more quad is required. Even with the straight bar. And relatively higher reps for both hypertrophy, fitness (includes functional range athletic flexibility), and also longevity.

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happyasS commented Saturday, 16 Jun 2018 at 3:22pm

CK.

Agree, doing maxes is retarded unless your getting paid for it. I go to the waves to risk injury, not the gym. As they say, 1rm's don't build strength, they test it.

As always, a picture (or Dan Green vid) is worth a thousand words, so as it turns out, we are actually in agreement regards hip position. Nice post.

I've been enjoying learning the subtleties of correct form over the past few months. Its surprising as the weights increase how much more attention to form you start paying. Tiny adjustments here and there and when your not happy then reset and start again. Slow and steady wins the race.

Nice talking.

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CryptoKnight commented Saturday, 16 Jun 2018 at 3:59pm

Gidday happyasS

I thought you'd like it. Here Green actually address's the topic of why the common high hips, such as Lacour's aren't at all desirable, both for deadlifting performance and overall athleticism and full body development. Especially in the long run. 1.30 minute mark. But totally addressing that exact scenario, and all the points in your initial comment, even about form with lighter and heavier weights, at the 4.35 mark right through 7.30 mark. You can see he is in the position, or hips lower, with much better torso position and activation also, which Lacour aims for with a lighter weight, but isn't strong enough, or focused enough to maintain as the weights go up. Which is the goal.

World record holder Hall, keeps hips very low and doesn't lose any power through them popping up.

Have a good one happyasS.

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