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Shatner'sBassoon started the topic in Friday, 6 Nov 2015 at 7:48pm

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Blowin commented Monday, 8 Jan 2018 at 10:55am

So why would any real or imagined positive interaction by a US president be considered a bad thing ?

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blindboy commented Monday, 8 Jan 2018 at 11:11am

Blowin I think the main issue is that Trump accepted a Russian offer to provide Clinton's emails. This has not been conclusively proved nor is there any great certainty that it was technically illegal. What it was, without a doubt, was spectacularly unwise, for reasons that should be obvious. Trump, like Nixon before him, has aggravated the problem by trying to cover it up. Then there is his failure to distance himself from his investments which is a clear conflict of interest. Given his desperate attempts to stop the Mueller enquiry, the suspicion must arise that he has more to hide than has yet been suggested. All this before the issue of compromat is considered. So we have a US President who has clearly behaved unwisely in his relations with an unfriendly foreign power, in whose country he has sought to do business. He has then blatantly attempted to block a legitimate enquiry into these issues. All this while there is the suspicion that the Russian government has video evidence of unsavoury sexual activity. Is that enough for you? I could go on.

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Blowin commented Monday, 8 Jan 2018 at 12:13pm

No, you've just rehashed the same completely unsubstantiated rumours and innuendo that your link addressed.

His desire for the investigation to go away isn't necessarily indicative of guilt. It's a major distraction , it undermines his authority and it creates a level of stress that you wouldn't need if you were trying to be President of the USA.

Especially if you're as limited as Donald Trump.

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blindboy commented Monday, 8 Jan 2018 at 12:12pm

Disagree Blowin. For a start if these are unsubstantiated rumours why are Trump team members pleading guilty and doing deals with Mueller? I know we often go to different sources for our information so you might provide a link to support your position because, as it stands, I just can't see why you would make that assertion

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Blowin commented Monday, 8 Jan 2018 at 12:15pm

I thought the Trump members were charged with unrelated garbage such as perjury ?

Nothing that would even hint at collusion to influence electoral outcome ?

They were probably pleading guilty because they were guilty. And they'd try anything to lessen a sentence.

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blindboy commented Monday, 8 Jan 2018 at 12:44pm

Here you go Blowin. 100 pages of rumour and innuendo that detail pretty much everything up until October. I rest my case. What have you got?

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blindboy commented Monday, 8 Jan 2018 at 12:49pm
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Blowin commented Monday, 8 Jan 2018 at 12:56pm

I don't have anything .

For news I read the SMH and guardian.

I don't watch any news at all except the flash they show every 30 seconds on one of those morning shows ( the Kochie one ) that I have to briefly endure during breakfast.

All I've got is what I've read there .....and the fact that despite 14 (?) months of allegations, beat up and a failing Mueller led investigation there is still not a SINGLE shred of anything more substantial than vested interest bullshit.

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Blowin commented Monday, 8 Jan 2018 at 1:13pm

BB - That long winded legalese report you linked was still more unrelated garbage.

Sure they're drawing the longest bow possible by trying to impeach a Trump on obstruction but the ENTIRE saga only reinforces your previous link relating to the total mistruth behind the Trump/Russia collusion garbage.

"According to the charge sheet, Michael Flynn is accused of:
falsely telling FBI agents that on or about 29 December 2016 he did not ask Mr Kislyak to "refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia that same day"
failing to recall that Mr Kislyak had later told him Russia was moderating its response to the sanctions as a result of his request
falsely saying that, on or about 22 December 2016, he did not ask Mr Kislyak to "delay the vote on or defeat a pending United Nations Security Council resolution". The discussion came a day before the Obama administration decided not to veto a resolution asserting that Israeli settlements on occupied Palestinian territory "had no legal validity"
making false statements about the Turkish government's involvement and supervision of a project that his intelligence company was taking part in."

Can you point to these charges laid on Flynn and show where there is any evidence of Trumps colluding with Russia ?

Of course you can't.

There is NO evidence whatsoever. It didn't happen. That's the entire point of your first link.

As it stands there is bullshit rumourmongering that has led to parts of the US intelligence community with a vested interest to stage a witch hunt .

And when Trump denies the allegations and calls out the whole deal for the farce it is then people take this as implied guilt ! Whatever happened to innocent till proven guilty ? Have you chosen not to extend such a fundamental human right in this instance because you don't like the man ?

None of this would have been out of place in the Spanish Inquisition.

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blindboy commented Monday, 8 Jan 2018 at 1:11pm

Blowin, a little philosophy for you. A useful analogy is the map/territory analysis of our thinking habits. The map is our existing knowledge, the territory is reality. In general a close fit between the map and the territory is seen as healthy. We all have our blind spots but even with them it is not advisable to let your map become too far divorced from the territory. Now adjusting a map you have clung to for a long time is painful but the pay off is that people really respect you for doing it. So the time is here Blowin. Adjust your map of US politics so that it aligns more closely with the evidence. It must have taken an enormous mental effort to read the SMH and Guardian regularly and persist in your opinions. Relax a little, accept the obvious. Trump may or may not have colluded with the Russians but he has, beyond reasonable doubt, attempted to obstruct justice by intefering with Mueller's investigation as shown by the document I provided a link to, which is 100 pages of detailed analysis with every statement referenced. If that does not count as substantial, then you are beyond help on this issue. I had some fun tiny waves this morning, against the odds!

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blindboy commented Monday, 8 Jan 2018 at 1:18pm

Pages 10-14 detail the evidence that there was collusion.

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Blowin commented Monday, 8 Jan 2018 at 1:22pm

I don't think we'll find consensus here.

I have no interest in seeing Trump succeed or fail. I am an impartial observer and all I see is farcical attempts by vested interests to remove him from office by any means necessary .

I think the whole impeachment scheme employed diminishes the standing of the USA political system even more than the rock bottom I'd assumed it'd found.

Glad you got some waves . I went for a brief swim in the Pacific and I swear I left the water 10 degrees cooler and 10 times more relaxed than when I entered.

Inland ....Why would you ?

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blindboy commented Monday, 8 Jan 2018 at 1:25pm

Enjoy!

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Quint commented Monday, 8 Jan 2018 at 2:18pm
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stunet commented Tuesday, 9 Jan 2018 at 8:45am

Hilarious Quint....

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GuySmiley commented Tuesday, 9 Jan 2018 at 2:55pm

If this onshore crap continues in Vicco

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thermalben commented Thursday, 11 Jan 2018 at 9:55am

Crikey, here's a read (threaded Twitter post from @ElizabethCMcLaughlin, a lawyer/CEO who "was a securities fraud and human rights litigator in DC/NY for over 15 years").

"Ok, people, that’s it. It's a bombshell of a day in America. And if Trump isn’t impeached after this, along with complicit members of the @GOP who have known this and tried to discredit Fusion and Steele and this dossier, there is no hope for our democracy. Period."

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/950884746082562048.html

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blindboy commented Thursday, 11 Jan 2018 at 10:34am

I suspect this is only the start Ben. Steele just tugged on a loose thread. Now the whole woollen cod piece is starting to unravel. The only question is how far it will go. The corruption doesn't end with Trump and co. The great unravelling could shake the US in unpredictable ways. Interesting times? More likely terrifying.

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thermalben commented Thursday, 11 Jan 2018 at 11:00am

'woollen codpiece'.. now there's a shuddering thought. 

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goofyfoot commented Thursday, 11 Jan 2018 at 11:19am

Good for winter

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Blowin commented Saturday, 13 Jan 2018 at 6:07pm

Haha !

http://www.smh.com.au/world/sstorm-africans-norwegians-react-to-trumps-r...

Yeah , I admit it's a bit of a cat amongst the pidgeons but there's not much else going on .

Unless you'd rather discuss Chris Peel's spamming efforts with that PNG right ?

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Blowin commented Saturday, 13 Jan 2018 at 6:17pm

Actually , neither of those topics really grab me.

What does grab my attention is the oft cited idea of a continuous suburb stretching from the Sunny coast to Geelong ( including its satellite suburb of Bell's beach estate ) in the not too distant future.

A grim reality ?

I believe so after witnessing the developments at Moonee beach and surrounds and after seeing what's going on on the Brisbane to Tweed stretch . A stretch that is home to the WORST stretch of road building fuck up currently on display in Australia , in my opinion.

Robina to Burleigh turnoff : 100 Km zone - You're kidding right ?

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blindboy commented Saturday, 13 Jan 2018 at 6:39pm

Suburbs in search of a city Blowin, but there are still some nice stretches left. I try to get away to them as often as possible. Surfed a great little rip bowl with a couple of others today!

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Blowin commented Saturday, 13 Jan 2018 at 8:15pm

You know what I'm stoked about ?

It's the fact that Kelly Slater got to go out on his terms.

Here he is with nothing to prove and a post tour career that can only be described as stupendous and unprecedented in the history of being the very best surfer so far and he's seamlessly morphed into the " I obviously don't have to give a fuck but who sort of still really could if shit got real " guy.

Well played , Mr Slater.

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GuySmiley commented Saturday, 13 Jan 2018 at 11:29pm

Says so much about what is right and wrong about the world and the political values we should pursue and ignore

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eat-your-vegies commented Saturday, 13 Jan 2018 at 11:33pm

Bout sums it up

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GuySmiley commented Tuesday, 16 Jan 2018 at 10:29pm

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Sheepdog commented Thursday, 18 Jan 2018 at 8:11pm

After those much publicised S.A blackouts, Prime Minister Turnbull said this to Australians, in an attempt to blame wind power. These were his exact words stated on 9/2/ 2017 ;

"And the answer was because of this heavy reliance on wind power, recognising that - as you know, you live in South Australia Leon – that when you get these heatwaves in South Australia, the wind drops and that’s one of the reasons why it is so hot. "

The wind drops during these S.A heatwaves, Mal?..... Ok..... So the "fresh" dry hot norwester today is just a figment of my imagination?
There are a gutload of wind turbines around Millicent... Closest Observation is Mt gambier. The hottest time was 2.32pm, with 41.4' recorded.. At that time, the norwester was averaging 19k, with gusts to 28k.
Snowtown (the other big wind farm region) had an average of 15K and gusts to 27K at it's hottest time of day.

Basically, what I'm saying?
Mal....... ya full of hot air....

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDS60801/IDS60801.94821.shtml

Sheepdog

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southey commented Thursday, 18 Jan 2018 at 11:19pm

Hey Sheepio ,
Long time no speak .

Yeah mate the National Grid is complex beast . There is a app for your phone called Pocket NEM , that can give you insight to the Energy flows on the East Coast Grid which includes SA , TAS, VIC, NSW and QLD . I watch it a fair bit for my work and to see the truth .
Alot of the issues on the grid is the lack of inestment in it for the last twenty years . The wholesale prices were extreme to say the least today . I have screen shots on my phone that would blow you away . Anyway any issues on the grid today were by Loy Yang B tripping or shutting off around 4pm . 500MW fell off the grid . The Bass Link and SA - Vic interconnector were glowing ........

" SA's Reserve Capacity "

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GuySmiley commented Friday, 19 Jan 2018 at 2:27pm

Sheepdog & Southey

http://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/loy-yang-b-failure-sends-p...

That App is amazing, current price $9,900 in Victoria at 14.20, $10,550 in SA, $105 in NSW!!

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southey commented Saturday, 20 Jan 2018 at 8:35am

Yep, Josh " Coal " Frydenburg , got a HUGE slap down on Twitter by some informed punters . With the truth and information out there like this , even the bloke on the street can know more about our Grid than the Energy minister .
The other thing that could be going on which is much more sinister , is some of these huge Gentailers still Generate over 70% of the East coast grid , in what the ACCC should be taking a long hard look at . Energy Australia , Origin , Pacific Hydro and a few others have strong ties to Asia . Now not suggesting that this is a aimed target of trying to sabotage the grid for their investment gains . ( Drive down the price of more aging infrasture ) by showing that it's perhaps less reliable than previously thought .
NO i would suggest more gaming the system , as one system falls over the hole market goes into a Price bidding rocket ride . There are obviously contracted rates that these Gentailers supply , but there are also peaker plants and Frequency Control & Ancillary Services markets that can benefit greatly from such events . And since alot of these systems of infrastructure are owned by many of the same broadening daily mega companies then what they miss on the swings they more than triple on the merry go rounds .
Failing all this , it could be just lack of proper maintenance to these long ago privatised utility investments . Either way which is more true or combination there of , it deserves investigation. Obviously the COALition isn't going to trigger this .

" SA's Reserve Capacity "

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blindboy commented Saturday, 20 Jan 2018 at 2:15pm

Reports are emerging that the conduit for Russian money to the Trump campaign was the NRA. If that turns out to be true the shithole will be hit by an unprecedented shitstorm.

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GuySmiley commented Saturday, 20 Jan 2018 at 2:44pm

"Gaming the System" of course its happening and that is why the SA's move back into ownership of new power generation is such a good one ..... well only in the absence of any meaningful regulation and control by the federal government.