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Shatner'sBassoon started the topic in Friday, 6 Nov 2015 at 7:48pm

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Blowin commented Monday, 17 Jul 2017 at 10:59am

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Blowin commented Monday, 17 Jul 2017 at 11:00am

Double tap.

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Gaz1799 commented Tuesday, 18 Jul 2017 at 4:17pm

Breaking news - the greens are in free-fall after losing two senators to legal jargon from a "helpful" WA lawyer.

Funny how all of these "administrative" problems only seem to happen to the minor parties eg Family First, One Nation, Greens etc etc. The gloves are really off as far as trying to annihilate all protest parties before the next election.

Do you think maybe the major parties are running scared?

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talkingturkey commented Thursday, 20 Jul 2017 at 6:14pm
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Shatner'sBassoon commented Thursday, 20 Jul 2017 at 6:20pm

Turkey, to paraphrase, when I hear the word 'Abetz', that's when I reach for my gun.

Surfboard.

Meanwhile, check this reasoned and concise analysis (if your quota ain't used up or you're a gasp! subscriber!)

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2017/07/15/the-death-n...

Any arguments?

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AndyM commented Thursday, 20 Jul 2017 at 7:24pm

I think the guy's on the money.

For the first time in decades ("the renewal of a conversation that was rudely interrupted in the 70s"), after such a long and inexorable swing to the right, there's finally been the beginnings of a broader acknowledgement of the need to consider a social democracy as opposed to hardcore neoliberalism.

Old mate Guy Rundle covers it well but I think he could also add to the evidence the LNP's (relative) change of heart regarding their budget - they can see the beginnings of a swing and I expect that their very well remunerated advice has told them to act now or else face the consequences.

However Rundle is also correct when he says that if the "left" get it wrong , the right will continue to steamroll them.

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sypkan commented Friday, 21 Jul 2017 at 2:05pm

I think you cut the quote a bit short andym

"This is essentially the renewal of a conversation that was rudely interrupted in the 1970s. However, should the left want to genuinely draw a mass to its support, it will have to abandon impossible notions of internationalism or borderlessness, and combine a social democratic politics with a genuine communalism, replacing the symbolic patriotism spruiked by the free-market right. After all, the only reason Corbyn Labour got a hearing was because Brexit had decided the question of open borders in advance, and in the negative. Labour simply had to commit to abiding by the referendum result and the public was satisfied. Had they been stuck defending open borders, Corbyn would now be on the way to being a Trivial Pursuit question circa 2027. Should the left fail to offer people the social democracy they want, the right will fill the breach, and this time they will not falter."

Did that guy just deplore racism and bag open borders in the same article?

Now we are getting somewhere!

Open borders was always a pipedream. 30 years of neoliberalism only exacebated inequality both within communities, and across the globe, making it way beyond palatable.

Get over it and move on, as pointed out above. If the left fucks this opportunity up they are well and truly doomed.

Surely someone has a better idea than throwing around terms like socialism. While I agree with much in the article, I don't sense many people have an appetite for socialism.

Besides how are we going to pay for all this reinvestment in services?

Especially when neoliberalism sold off all the government assetts. Then pissed it against the wall - in a back slapping festival enjoyed by the bourgoise from both the left and right - as they both deluded themselves that they were 'killing it'

Not 'killing it' at all....never were. Just an attitude from both sides of getting what individuals wanted and Fuck the rest.

Compartmentalisation again

combined with identity politics, it was a lethal mix.

A perfect storm of how to divide societies

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Sheepdog commented Saturday, 22 Jul 2017 at 3:55pm

"But under the new Tudge definition, unemployment benefits have risen and are adequate – “not a lot of money, but not complete deprivation”

Well..... As long as it isn't complete deprivation, I fell a heck of a lot better for those bludgers.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/22/alan-tudge-waves-...

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GuySmiley commented Saturday, 22 Jul 2017 at 6:25pm

Sheepdog, its not Strumpet City* here yet but its getting there. Going be an interesting week in politics, stand by for the Murdoch press to explode.

*James Plunkett's novel set in 1913 Dublin (recommended read).

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Shatner'sBassoon commented Saturday, 22 Jul 2017 at 9:15pm

Fucken great book

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Sheepdog commented Saturday, 22 Jul 2017 at 11:40pm

Guy, what your prediction on the murdoch press explosion? Who are they hunting this week?

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GuySmiley commented Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 8:05am

I've heard Shorten will be making some major announcements on taxation reform.

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GuySmiley commented Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 10:28am

Even funnier than some of TonyBarber's forum contributions ....

http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2016/s4706368.htm

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tonybarber commented Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 7:48pm

It's pleasing to see you see the humour Mr Smiley. Have not seen the link but can I assume it is humorous.

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GuySmiley commented Sunday, 23 Jul 2017 at 9:05pm

hey Tony, have a good laugh and watch the link, real good piss take on the greens

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Shatner'sBassoon commented Monday, 7 Aug 2017 at 6:53pm
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Shatner'sBassoon commented Monday, 7 Aug 2017 at 7:00pm

Katherine Murphy (haha):

"Don’t take the reported seven votes for a free vote as a true indication of the support for marriage equality in the Liberal party room. There are more, but for a range of reasons they cannot or have not voted for what they believe in.

For instance, cabinet members are bound by the cabinet position of Pleb, Postal Pleb & Free Vote. Other members have not come out, so to speak, for their own reasons, including pressure from various quarters in their own party room."

So the tax-payer is going to stump up millions (on a non-binding waste of fucken time AND money) to effectively save the liberal party from its own nasty split-up and family divorce??

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Gaz1799 commented Tuesday, 8 Aug 2017 at 9:40am

Its absolute bullshit I agree Shatner. The liberals are paralysed by the churchies and the ALP lost any authority they had on the situation when they (AND PENNY WONG) voted against same sex marriage for whatever ridiculous reason years back when they had the chance.

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talkingturkey commented Tuesday, 8 Aug 2017 at 11:34am

The LNP under Turdstill are the most dysfunctional fucking muppets I've seen, federally, in my political lifetime.

At least Abbott, hopeless as he was, had his own gang with him, until the polls scared the horses...or donkeys, more like.

Total policy shit-show on both their counts though. Same shit, different shovel. So at least there's that.

Consistency.

Constant crap.

Well, unless you're some corpo rent-seeker...and even they're getting pissed off!

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GuySmiley commented Tuesday, 8 Aug 2017 at 2:57pm

@turks says "The LNP under Turdstill are the most dysfunctional fucking muppets I've seen, federally, in my political lifetime."

Roger that, but what are the muppets in the electorate are saying about their voting intentions come next election? Divided Nation and Hinch etc etc ........ now how will the parliament operate with twice as many retards like Malcolm Roberts or Hinchs or other cellar dwellers?

Its looking bad for many years to come

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Shatner'sBassoon commented Tuesday, 8 Aug 2017 at 7:03pm

That weirdo Roberts will be gone! Bloody foreigner!

Anyway, a vote for One Notion is a vote for the LNP. Check their record.

Actually, the only clown that beats them for voting with the LNP is fucken Hinch. Mr. 89%. The human rubber-stamp.

Hah!

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batfink commented Tuesday, 8 Aug 2017 at 9:32pm

From the article Shatner pointed to;

"A workplace can be privately owned, it can be socially owned, or it can have a combination of the two. So for example, if you work in a shop, that shop may be owned by a rich person, or by a company which is owned by its shareholders. In that case, it is privately owned.

Another model may be one where the shop is owned by the government. In that case, the workers work for the government. A final model is one where the shop is owned by the workers."

Farkwit goes on to say that the first is capitalism, the second is neutral and the third is socialism.

Great work for a primer. The first is capitalism, the second is socialism, the third is anarcho-syndicalism. Numpty!

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batfink commented Tuesday, 8 Aug 2017 at 9:34pm

Given the current state of Federal politics, how can 47% of the electorate place their faith in the LNP government.

FFS, you may hate Labor or Bill shorten, but nobody in their right mind could place the LNP ahead of Labor as things are currently working.

47 effing percent. Unbelievable!

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 9 Aug 2017 at 8:50am
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talkingturkey commented Wednesday, 9 Aug 2017 at 10:40am

Anarcho-syndicalism! Jeepers, BF, let's not confuse those poor buggers elsewhere that can barely put their left & right shoes on properly...and keep complaining their feet hurt!

That's a definite K.I.S.S article. That's the problem?

Here's an old fave:

https://chomsky.info/19760725/

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Shatner'sBassoon commented Wednesday, 9 Aug 2017 at 11:39am

Beat me to it, Turkey.

How's that old chestnut go?

"The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

Too much complexity, hair-splitting, waffle! Whatevers! Give it to me straight!

K.I.S.S

Anyway...

https://attackthesystem.com/2013/08/13/noam-chomsky-on-anarchism-liberta...

Actually, in all seriousness, if we boil these 'things' down, drill right down deep to the core, is it as simple as being a species of 'collectivism' vs 'individualism'?

Of course it ain't. "Never the twain shall meet" is part of the problem.

But it's a starting point for real discussion?

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Shatner'sBassoon commented Wednesday, 9 Aug 2017 at 12:28pm

Yeah, nah.

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tonybarber commented Wednesday, 9 Aug 2017 at 12:37pm

Yeah, you may not like the LNP but just think about letting any politician making a personal decision on your behalf. That means any - Hanson, Turnbull , shorten, telling you what you can do with respect to marriage. Maybe you follow your religion but that's personal. There is no way this is a political issue. Nothing to do with government regardless what flavour you like.
Got to be your decision.

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GuySmiley commented Wednesday, 9 Aug 2017 at 12:49pm

@Blowin, spent some time touring in Europe with a group of Americans last year. Apart from a small handful they were collectively the most socially and culturally unaware people I have ever meet. Loud, inappropriate, ugly. All the stereotyping is correct.

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 9 Aug 2017 at 1:10pm

I went to mainland USA a couple of times when I was younger. It was a regular occurrence for Americans to not know where Australia was .

https://youtu.be/XYZ6_n7Mpb0

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GuySmiley commented Wednesday, 9 Aug 2017 at 1:32pm

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 9 Aug 2017 at 1:43pm

Guysmiley - You reckon 9/11 was an inside job ?

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Gaz1799 commented Wednesday, 9 Aug 2017 at 1:47pm
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GuySmiley commented Wednesday, 9 Aug 2017 at 3:38pm

blowin, don't believe in conspiracy theories.

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GuySmiley commented Wednesday, 9 Aug 2017 at 3:48pm

Today in Noddy-land ....

"But even as the Turnbull government pressed power companies to reduce their prices, Origin Energy returned fire over policy uncertainty and said that, for genuine reductions in prices to happen, "we must also find a way through on energy policy, including a Clean Energy Target".

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talkingturkey commented Wednesday, 9 Aug 2017 at 5:36pm

Strong Leader™

That's our Malcolm!

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GuySmiley commented Saturday, 12 Aug 2017 at 7:39am

Finally some common sense when it comes to North Korea

Paul Keating's position ......

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/paul-keating-no...

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Blowin commented Saturday, 12 Aug 2017 at 7:54am

Can you believe an ex Prime Minister has actually called it " an unprovoked western attack on Iraq " ?

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GuySmiley commented Saturday, 12 Aug 2017 at 2:37pm

@blowin, shirley, are you aren't being serious?

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udo commented Saturday, 12 Aug 2017 at 2:53pm

Trump...Nth Koreas missile threat will boost Guams tourism - WTF.

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Blowin commented Saturday, 12 Aug 2017 at 4:45pm

GuySmiley - What do you mean ?

I've never heard a politician discuss it with such frankness.

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GuySmiley commented Saturday, 12 Aug 2017 at 5:14pm

Blowin - my mistake, misread your comment. Keating is good at frankness, his speeches/books are worth a read. Cheers

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Dale -Cooper commented Tuesday, 15 Aug 2017 at 1:12pm

“The dog leg. That dog had four legs. One you found in my trunk. The other three went out with the information you're thinking about right now. Two people you don't want coming around here if anything bad happens to me.”

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Dale -Cooper commented Tuesday, 15 Aug 2017 at 1:13pm

Some new cool pics.

“The dog leg. That dog had four legs. One you found in my trunk. The other three went out with the information you're thinking about right now. Two people you don't want coming around here if anything bad happens to me.”

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Dale -Cooper commented Tuesday, 15 Aug 2017 at 1:15pm

Some more new cool pics.

“The dog leg. That dog had four legs. One you found in my trunk. The other three went out with the information you're thinking about right now. Two people you don't want coming around here if anything bad happens to me.”

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Dale -Cooper commented Tuesday, 15 Aug 2017 at 1:09pm

One more.

“The dog leg. That dog had four legs. One you found in my trunk. The other three went out with the information you're thinking about right now. Two people you don't want coming around here if anything bad happens to me.”

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 15 Aug 2017 at 2:50pm

Haha !

How's the nerds doing the Nazi salute !?

https://youtu.be/7a_sx3ozoXI

So Dale , are you decrying terrorism as a whole or white terrorism specifically ?

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GuySmiley commented Tuesday, 15 Aug 2017 at 3:57pm

I was listening to a foreign affairs expert on radio this morning calling the Charlottesville car attack as an act of terror and expressing disappointment Trump didn't call it as such.

He explained its the motivation of the attack that makes Charlottesville a terrorist act. That driver was targeting people on the basis of their race therefore terrorism. Race or religion motivation = terrorist act.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 15 Aug 2017 at 4:43pm

What's your point ?

Haven't seen any posts from you fellas showing any Islamic terrorist attacks or mass rallies of agitated Religious morons from any other culture . Are you just being contrarian or is this a matter of ......White Man Evil !!!!

It's a bit strange to be honest .

Are you surprised that Westerners can be fuckwits too ?

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GuySmiley commented Tuesday, 15 Aug 2017 at 5:02pm

My point is Blowin, as I said the other day, the Charlottesville attack was terrorism but where was the political leadership and where was the media? If that guy was a Muslim extremist Turnbull would have been all over the media saying it was attack on our values and way of life blah blah ........ so ultimately I calling out how politicians and the media use terrorism. Remember Turnbull standing in front of masked SAS just a few weeks ago to announce Dutton's super agency no expert argued the merits of/for? and who could ever forget 12-Australian flags Tony?