Turnbull rolls over "again" to the ultra right

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floyd started the topic in Monday, 10 Feb 2014 at 7:21pm

No-one got anything to say about the loss of the car industry under a government and high viz Tony that promised to create 1,000,000 jobs?

Slumber away ........

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Blowin Thursday, 21 May 2015 at 7:08pm
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'Intrinsically understood minute details of the big picture before entering the womb....ha ha ha.'

Even our 'science' is starting to understand the effects of the environment, which includes attitude and thoughts, on genes, and so cells.

Just a farkin ornest questjun for yar blowy... ya hard boy, charga maaayte, ave I eva faarkin surfed with ya, ya tuff tuudin' bad boy shredda?

Yo bad mofucka, you!

Lifty, we're on the same page regarding the way Blackfellas interacted with the environment by the time white fellas got here - with a beautifully pared back and truly sustainable technique to surviving without overpowering their surroundings and a respect for the land that seems to be sorely lacking amongst a lot of modern day Aussies.

But it was not the result of an inherent magic in the Aboriginal bloodline . These were people from somewhere else originally ,let's not forget, and they arrived with previous skills and were made to adapt to a new land as surely as any other being or animal that arrived here.

They then had thousands of years to hone their act before white man spoiled the party.

And as white fellas happened to plant roots in very close proximity to the unparalleled population explosion that is seeing the whole planet compromised at the same time, well we havent really had chance to find our own feet yet and to learn from our own mistakes.

Don't really see how much chance we'll have now either with Aussie's population set to double in the next 25 years.

Apologies for calling you a muppet mate.

I don't know if we've ever surfed together . I'm no hard charging shredder either, just another gronk.

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uplift Thursday, 21 May 2015 at 9:15pm

Gidday dawg,

'If I'm wrong, lift, I'm wrong.... No problems with that...... But it seems silicun and yourself are avoiding the crunch of my original post...... The Aboriginal way of life was sadly doomed.... If it wasn't the brits, it would've been someone else.....'

Yeh, you are completely, 100% wrong dawg. Couldn't be more wrong. Pretty conditioned idea. If you actually fully investigate the truth about Traditional Indigenous Australian Cultures, you see the complexity and sophistication of unity and the amazing diversity, which is far beyond the compexity and sophistication of our culture. And that complexity is based around understanding life, wanting to share life, and sustaining, nurturing life, being a connected part of all around.So 'environment' as we call it, is felt, and totally experienced as their Mother. Then of course there is Kinship, which honestly makes our idea of it, kindy level. Then religion, again, which makes our shallow, out of touch efforts pale in comparison. Each person was the equivalent of the pope in our religious world view. Again simply put, Inclusion, with all the enormity and sophistication that encompasses, compared to seperatism, which by its very nature is less.

As for the crunching, I've agreed with you, don't know how you missed it.

'Gidday sheepdog, yes, thats true, the high probability is that Traditional Indigenous Australians would have been butchered by someone else with similar, primitive, limited, brute like, unsophisticated values as the British. '

'Again, yes all true dawg, ghenghis, chaka, atilla, and co, among all the other 'heroic', manic nuts that filled our history books and lessons, and 'Boys Own Annuals'. The bloodbath that all pupils 'learned' about. But, that has absolutely no effect on the Truth that:

"So the western way is to fight and conquer every mother fucking thing"

Just like I say bob wears a brown hat, and you notice that so do fred and joe... well, yeh, so, but... bob still does too.'

But, so what, its not the bare bones reality here and now. The british, our direct ancestors butchered, raped and slaughtered Tradititional Indigenous Australians and actually attempted genocide against them, for a prolonged period. Like a prolonged Holocaust. Yeh, hypotheticals, so what, makes a great chat show, but reality is this.

This is a response to you as well blowin. So truth, reality, is this. Along with the North Sentinel Islanders, the most successful human Cultures ever, a record not even remotely matched by anyone. And in the blink of an eye, ignorant, mindless brutes all but obliterated it. Yet despite literally having the kitchen sink thrown at them Indigenous Australians survived. Blowin, where did I say anything about some magical race of people? The conditioning runs so deep. Never underestimate conditioning. Think of the most basic things. Cultures that stretch lips, necks, bind feet, and find that attractive, cultures that are repulsed by that.

https://keepinitrealevanston.wordpress.com/2013/06/23/meet-oxana-malaya-...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxana_Malaya

Success. Can you even conceive that it is entirely possible that people even more intelligent that we have in our culture, can, and could exsist in Indigenous Cultures. That it is possible that that intelligence, that genius, when conditioned in that way, would add to and enhance that Culture in amasing ways. Could there possibly be anyone smarter than our smart guys? Plenty of totally isolated Cultures bombed out badly, Easter Island is one famous one. Then of course,

'We will never know for sure exactly who lived up there, but we do know that they were Incas, we also know that they had retreated in secret to the place called "Old Peak" and that this secret city was never discovered by the Spaniards. '

Our understanding of language is so different to Traditional Indigenous Australians. The total experience, the whole environment, all of life, seen and unseen is Traditional Indigenous Australian language. So, a father, and mother are affected by language before a child is conceived, the sperm, the egg, the cells, genes, are already 'spoken' to well before that event. Our 'science' is just acknowledging that. Yet, its so obvious. Connection, not seperation is obvious. Yet our whole culture is conditioned to feel seperatist. So its history is fraught with bungling, crumbling. We can't understand fully to know what being conditioned to be totally connected means, unless we undo the prolonged, opposite conditioning of seperation. Which interestly is the goal of meditation.

The conditioning ensures Traditional Indigenous Australians must always stay where we want them, simple flukes. Which is where our ancestors wanted them. So, the lies must be perpetuated. Imagine being the idiot brutes that wiped out the greatest success stories humanity has seen. The brutes that fucked women to death in front of their husbands, butchered children at will, tortured men, women and children and treated them like dogs. Dispatched the like vermin. And worse. For a prolonged period. Sure, as the dawg said, others did it, but not to the best, most successful human Cultures ever. Its like being the 'boys' that fucked Mother Therasa to near death before mashing her skull with a rock, and laughing as she died. Not a good look, when you are trying to pass yourself of as some amasing, superior, sophisticated example.

So to make ammends for that, the Truth is necessary to start the reconditioning, if we aren't to follow the well worn path to failure. Imagine if there is life out there, truly intelligent life, as we head off into space. Hey everybody... who? What, them lot, nah, fuck it weren't that bad eh, they were fucked anyway... just simple science, they got it good now too! Shit, nice planet ya got there!!! Don't mind if I do aye!

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Blowin Thursday, 21 May 2015 at 9:31pm

So it's - Aboriginals = Faultless perfection

British = primitive, unsophisticated , brute like evil incarnate.

Is that about it ?

And myself and yourself are the " British " am I right ?

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uplift Thursday, 21 May 2015 at 9:59pm

'So it's - Aboriginals = Faultless perfection'

Aboriginal? Who does that describe? If you are referring to Traditional Indigenous Australians, I have never said that. But yes, without any sceric of doubt, a record of Cultural success not even closely equalled by our british example. Thats the Truth as much as it pains you.

'British = primitive, unsophisticated , brute like evil incarnate.'

I never said evil incarnate. You did. But, again if you need to see that, if it comforts you, its your choice. And again, yes, resoundingly yes, the truth is, yes, they, the british did invade the homes of Traditional Indigenous Australians, fucked women to death, raped and butchered and tortured men, women and children, licenced them like vermin, treated them as animals, shot them, ridiculed and humiliated them, stole everything from them, and tried to exterminate them, for a prolonged period. And now deliberately, or just through plain ignorance, lie about and misrepresent them. To save face, and keep what is stolen. By force, brute force. So, yeh, 'brute like' is pretty polite. What would you call it? You know, fucking women to death? Stuff like that?

If we lie, if we perpetuate lies, if we conceal the Truth, yes we are nothing but the continuation of the conditioning of the culture that did those things, which is the british, queen, corgis and all.

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Sheepdog Friday, 22 May 2015 at 9:10am

Mornin' lift....... Nothing is perfect, mate.... You know that..... And speaking of "conditioned", it's a human condition to romance about things that are gone, things that are dead... By doing so, humans can ignore the carnage in front of them right now.... Future generations can then lament the current mistakes....

Anyway, I better put some elvis on, or maybe the doors, watch a James Dean movie, followed by a bit of Nirvana......

Blowin.... What exactly is your point? And I'm still waiting for you to point out where i called you a racist.... This is the 4th time I have asked.....

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floyd Friday, 22 May 2015 at 10:56am

Hey Tony, will you do anything to harm your vote amongst your likeminded narrow minded red necks of this country?

"Nope, nope, nope"

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Sheepdog Friday, 22 May 2015 at 10:59am

Well, yeah, back on topic, floyd..... of course he wont........ But that bunch will always vote liberal.... They may say they wouldn't vote for turnbull if he was the leader.... But could you see them voting for Labor? Rusted on....

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silicun Friday, 22 May 2015 at 11:03am

Nope Floyd he is intent on doing anything to retain the vote of middle australia, including to continue to harm the country, the spinners are working overtime.

Sheepy the human condition and conditioning are two different concepts. I read an interesting article yesterday about the rise and fall of the Chinese empire which draws similar parallels to what we have been discussing re the indigineous Australian situation.

Looking back on things of the past doesn't have to obscure what is happening in the present in fact the importance of looking back on these cultures that got something right is that we can adjust our mode of thinking, adjust our approach to the world, adjust our approach to building a society that is not destructive.

Have a read and see what you think, there are omissions that probably require considering but on the whole it gives a sense of the difference between a colonial/imperialist type approach to the world and an alternative. http://www.globalresearch.ca/china-rise-fall-and-re-emergence-as-a-globa...

I think that Australia is very much at a crossroads at this point in time and as a society we have some serious decisions to make about our place in the world, do we want to continue down the road of destruction with the US at the helm? Or do we want to build an identity based on the true history and attributes of a culture that truly belong to Australia?

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Sheepdog Friday, 22 May 2015 at 1:07pm

Silicun... A mere 15 to 20 years ago, I'd agree with you. re' crossroads...... But we are now in a brave new world... There is no crossroad anymore...... Just a dot com kaleidoscope.... What is isnt... And what isn't is... Well that's what the latest poll reckons, and I read it on the net, so it must be true...... ;)

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silicun Friday, 22 May 2015 at 1:22pm

Well youre out of the loop then mate, as america intensifies its military buildup in the asia/pacific region Australia is at a crossroads as far as which way we align ourselves - maintain a trade relationship with China or continue to back the US in its military aggression, continue to allow a buildup of US military force on Australian soil, intelligence bases, troops, ships, bombers?

The question of sovereignty vs recognition for indigineous Australians is also coming to a head, we are at a crossroads here too, do we start down the path of accepting the true history of colonization and follow it through or do we continue with disingenuous token gestures?

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floyd Friday, 22 May 2015 at 1:28pm

re the crossroads, i think the horse has bolted unless the walking brain dead wake the fuck up and get angry in what's being done in their name, and i'm not holding my breath cos they seem to love the politics of exclusion and greed and that is why I'm looking across the ditch thinking it would be good to be a kiwi

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silicun Friday, 22 May 2015 at 1:37pm

I hate to think your right Floyd. The american question will only be answered by some catastrophic event IMO until then it will continue unchecked. The indigineuos question will be resolved by its people, the upheaval will be loud enough that the powers that be will be challenged, that's just a matter of time, lines are being drawn. Maybe I'm too optimistic but common sense has to prevail at some stage.

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Sheepdog Friday, 22 May 2015 at 3:03pm

That's exactly what I was saying to silicun, Floyd.... The horse has bolted.... So, silicun I do not know what "loop" you speak of...... I hope you are not deliberately missing my point... i hope it is an oversight..... Yes, I know about the pending China sea problem... yes I know about Abbott burning the last hope for aboriginals with his "lifestyle choices"...... But this is not 1978, when people had time to digest thought, time to protest,.... Peoples concentration spans now are sooo fucked up..... What was the name of those 2 guys???? You know.... Those guys that got executed for whatever it was... In that country over there....
I'm a celebrity get me outa here!!!!........
People are sooo fucked up silicun.... That is more of a worry than any reconciliation... People are more interested in getting their opinions spoon fed to them my 3 milfs sitting on a couch on the morning show.... or watching poverty porn.... Or demonizing boat people..... The desensitization is nearly complete.... i realized that last night watching the news as I was chomping on my steak.... The starving crying women and children on the boats off Thailand didn't phase me.... But as I saw pictures of a vietnamese man about to hit a cow with a sledgehammer, a small tear ran down my face..... I changed channels, put on House rules, and finished my steak......

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floyd Friday, 22 May 2015 at 4:14pm

That raving left wing economist and business writer Michael Pascoe is at again ... calling out Abbott's & Hockey's inaction on superannuation again ..........

http://www.theage.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/what-the-pollies-...

Its all about getting re-elected and nothing to do with what's good for the country

If you don't believe how fucking greedy some Australians have become read the attached comments.

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silicun Friday, 22 May 2015 at 4:44pm

Your point about the internet? Your right I don't get it, I don't get a lot of what you say sheepy because it betrays a fairly superficial understanding and I think that people are capable of more than that, particularly people with an education.

Surely you don't think that people no longer have the ability to digest thought and protest?

Surely you dont think that US imperialism is limited to a China sea problem?

Surely you don't think that the last hope for Indigineous australians is Abbott's lifestyle choice rhetoric?

If these are truly things that you think then yes you are out of the loop.

Conditioning by msm maybe a problem for your generation but times have changed and although you may joke about the integrity of the internet it has been a game changer and will continue to be, information is far more readily available, alternative information outlets enjoy similar exposure to mainstream ones and networks are built which contain real power. You don't seem to understand the point that uplift has made and that I've tried to impress. You think that we are bleating on about the importance of reconciliation but what you need to understand is that there is an alternative way to view the world and how societies work, part of recognizing the history of white Australia and understanding the culture of societies like indigineous australians is to understand and maybe get some clues on how to change our culture to something that actually has positive outcomes.

As Floyd mentioned in another thread, you can bury your head in sand/change the channel or you can actually get up and do something to exert some influence in the way you want society to be.

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Sheepdog Friday, 22 May 2015 at 4:59pm

"Surely you don't think that people no longer have the ability to digest thought and protest?"
A very small amount of people, Silicun... How many people have joined us in our philosophical chat? Sweet F.A.... How many people are interested in Guy Sebastian at Eurovision? Unfortunately too many... Protesters are now demonized.... I was at the Daintree in the 80s.... A totally different vibe.... As Midnight Oil screeched U.S forces, and we all demanded the frogs stop bombing the pacific, there seemed hope..... We now as a nation sit back and watch Assange.... If you can't see that the majority has been dumbed down and sedated in consumer dot com wonderland, then my philosophical friend, perhaps you are out of the loop.... Not everyone drinks decaf soy lattes and rides a bike from their inner city unit to work.....
Walk around an outer suburban shopping centre, and ask people if they are interested in reconciliation, or china/USA relations..... I hope you don't get hit, or arrested for harassment lol....

"Surely you dont think that US imperialism is limited to a China sea problem?"
I didn't say that it was limited to the China sea.... I was just giving one example.... Don't be so condescending, champ...

"Surely you don't think that the last hope for Indigineous australians is Abbott's lifestyle choice rhetoric?"
How could his lifestyle choice rhetoric be their last hope? Go back and read what i said... I said his rhetoric was an attempt to BURN hope..... Not BE hope..... A deliberate attempt to get the last remaining aboriginals off good mining land..... Get it??? hmmmmm.......

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silicun Friday, 22 May 2015 at 5:38pm

"yes I know about Abbott burning the last hope for aboriginals with his "lifestyle choices"", you said it sheepy, burning their last hope.

Your own words "Yes, I know about the pending China sea problem", I'm not being condescending but as a response to a point I was trying to make and an article I posted for you it would suggest up you didn't even bother to read it, have a read its worth it.

I remember reading some time ago about your involvement in protesting the iraq war? As well, I have great respect for someone who will do those things and from my reading of your posts I understand the type of stance you take on particular issues like war, environment and political issues which is why I find it odd that you sometimes will write issues off as being forgone conclusions not worth the effort or consideration and there aren't people who care about what's happening in the world, there are huge networks and movements going on a whole bunch of different fronts.

Protesting still happens and it is still effective, the protests over community closures have already had an impact. Protests over CSG have had an impact. Protests as we speak in Okinawa over US military presence. Having said that it is not the only way to affect social change.

I live in an outer suburb ATM and for sure not many people would be interested in aus/China/us relations, indigineous affairs probably a different question, certainly in some suburbs and towns it is a highly topical issue. Again outer suburbs aren't the only place social change needs to occur challenging the way I think and the way I interact with the world is personally something I can do.

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norchock Friday, 22 May 2015 at 5:57pm

Sheepdag you know it all maybe you should run the country.you are a whinging wanker...

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Johno210 Friday, 22 May 2015 at 6:34pm

What Australia needs is another Paul Keating ! Where is he ?

For those old enough the 'Redfern Park' speech Keating made regarding challenges past & future for indigenous people was considered by Australian ABC listeners as the 3rd most "unforgettable speech" behind Martin Luther King's 'I Have a Dream' speech - fucking amazing ! (number one) and Jesus
'Sermon on the Mount' then Keating's speech - Pretty special.

Have a read
http://australianpolitics.com/1992/12/10/paul-keatings-redfern-speech.html

Cheers Johno

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silicun Friday, 22 May 2015 at 6:51pm

Amen johno, the guy had the gift of the gab along with kahunas a sense of duty to Australia and some intelligence that makes him look like Einstein compared to the current crop of parrots

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floyd Friday, 22 May 2015 at 7:41pm

darn sheepy, I can't get that image of 3 milfs on morning TV out of my mind, what channel?

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uplift Saturday, 23 May 2015 at 12:05pm

'Mornin' lift....... Nothing is perfect, mate.... You know that..... And speaking of "conditioned", it's a human condition to romance about things that are gone, things that are dead... By doing so, humans can ignore the carnage in front of them right now.... Future generations can then lament the current mistakes....'

Anyway, I better put some elvis on, or maybe the doors, watch a James Dean movie, followed by a bit of Nirvana......'

Oh no! Wrong! Again. Ouch... crunch! Its getting to be a bloody habit dawg! Nothing is actually perfect. The 'Source' of everything! Never changes, all equal, infinite, omniscient, unlimited, all of that. There's volumes about it... keep on googling maaayyte... not chooglin...

Dead you reckon? Shit, I just saw some Nungas in town... ghosts? Nice try, they wrote a 'history' book in Elliston like that, said all the Traditional Indigenous Australian groups and people from the region were dead, 'extinct' they said. Then more bloody ghosts showed up! How 'inconvenient'! Pesky buggers!

Yeh, pull out the old vinyls dawg, give em a spin aye! Watch out though, you wouldn't wanna accidently come across a tattered, drool soaked, clawed and pawed bloodied list aye! Fuckin' 'listers'! B... B... Bl... Bla... Blaa... Blaa. Yeh, bloody blah blah blah blacks sheepy aye! It's ok, got ya well and truly covered there young fella, had shitloads for ya maaayte, well into me fifties. You just 'spin' the old hits mate... Blah blah blah blacks sheepy have you any wool! No sir, no sir, no fuk### fuc**** uppi***### cun# ###*** ***** bags full!

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floyd Saturday, 23 May 2015 at 2:54pm

As Captain Goodvibes would say to Astro "what the fuck was that dogsbody?"

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fitzroy-21 Saturday, 23 May 2015 at 2:46pm

Hey Stu, just out of interest, has deadlift just come off a 3 month "suspension" or something similar?

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southey Saturday, 23 May 2015 at 3:51pm

If that's the case Fitz, then it's fair to say it didn't work !

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Johno210 Saturday, 23 May 2015 at 4:05pm

Hi silicum, yes Keating was a rare bird but do not forget his speechwriter - Don Watson. Together they created a partnership like McCartney & Lennon. If you get a chance borrow from the library a book called
"The Bush - Travels in the Heart of Australia" by Don Watson. For me reading this book was a life changer he questions the 'Victorian' wisdom of the time, albeit a lot of it wrong footed & self justified.

Its interesting when you compare the views of historians & pollies that align themselves with these thinkers. John Howard who followed Geoffrey Blainey the view of‘black armband’ history (if you don't love it fuck off) & the obsession of Australian mateship which can be so easily exploited in cynical ways. Anyway this book is a great read, it makes you think & in my case question preconceived flawed logic !

Cheers Johno

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SurferFuk Saturday, 23 May 2015 at 4:09pm
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Sheepdag you know it all maybe you should run the country.you are a whinging wanker...

Do you have anything good to say at all without swearing Norchock.....!

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Johno210 wrote:

Hi silicum, yes Keating was a rare bird but do not forget his speechwriter - Don Watson. Together they created a partnership like McCartney & Lennon. If you get a chance borrow from the library a book called
"The Bush - Travels in the Heart of Australia" by Don Watson. For me reading this book was a life changer he questions the 'Victorian' wisdom of the time, albeit a lot of it wrong footed & self justified.

Its interesting when you compare the views of historians & pollies that align themselves with these thinkers. John Howard who followed Geoffrey Blainey the view of‘black armband’ history (if you don't love it fuck off) & the obsession of Australian mateship which can be so easily exploited in cynical ways. Anyway this book is a great read, it makes you think & in my case question preconceived flawed logic !

Cheers Johno

Nice one johno, I'll see if I can track down a copy, cheers

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silicun Saturday, 23 May 2015 at 5:16pm

Any footage of our number one citizen out at queenscliff today? Rab's??

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floyd Saturday, 23 May 2015 at 5:22pm
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Any footage of our number one citizen out at queenscliff today? Rab's??

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-bra...

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uplift Saturday, 23 May 2015 at 6:17pm

Fuck'n rabs. Poor blinder. Doomed!!!

'Asked what advice he gave Mr Abbott, he added: "It is quite treacherous out there and I thought safety is paramount with our number one citizen and I wanted him to take care. Our Prime Minister is an ocean man, he knows the waves here, he surfs and I am pretty sure he will assess the conditions."'

Sickening. Beyond ludicrous. Embarrassing LOL 2. Only on the mighty eastern seaboard. All they needed to see was a fuck'n rock in the sand, and they all would have started squwarking their heads off in terror! Thank God for blacks... would've washed that fuck'n lot away in 2 seconds flat. Next thing pello will have a fuck'n moment... through the fibs, and we'll be watching servings of videos of his serving's of drivvle.

Poor blinder. Its a cultural nightmare! Fuck'n rabs!!! Traitor!!! Next thing rabs will be telling us about his moment of epiphin... ooohhh noooo.... not that... please!!!!! For fucks sake... not that!!! Fuck'n stewart!!! Fuck'n surfees!!!

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blindboy Sunday, 24 May 2015 at 12:13am

Well it was a charity event uppy and Rabbit was obviously being charitable in his description of the PMs ability. I didn't see Queenscliff today but I would be guessing it was 4ft of washing machine action which was probably just dangerous enough for the useless kook to get into trouble. It's a pity, if I'd known Rab was there I would have gone down to say g'day, I haven't caught up with him for a longish while now.

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uplift Sunday, 24 May 2015 at 2:03am

Its probably better you weren't there blinder. Whilst we have had our differences, I'm not a cruel man, and wouldn't wish that horrific, horrendous, snivelling sight on anyone. I mean, first you had to deal with this ludicrous cultural debacle :

http://treatyrepublic.net/content/garretts-uranium-sell-out

Then the sight of very, very, very, very, very (did I say very) little slattsey and those tiny, petite ladies looking like, looking like, well, slattsey... well... I can't even speak about it... without dry reeching! Excuse me a minute.

Then the new, old school reversed, reverse role, the swill... well grape nut, flakey sales stuff... again, please excuse me a minute.

Then... hallaluja bretheren!!!

And now, the final boot to the surfing cultural 'nuts' so to speak. Rabs sells out. Turns surfee. Of course abs was fighting for the elderly, surfing for his dear life to save them. Nothing would stop him! What a team abs and rabs, hard to tell them apart nowadays! No blinder, better you weren't there. Perhaps you can talk sense into r/abs, and yeh, perhaps its been too long. However I think the real problem is obvious. I was gone too long. And in my absence, the rats have come out to play, and surfing culture has spiralled into this ludicrous, pathetic debacle. Sorry blinder.

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floyd Sunday, 24 May 2015 at 10:22am

So while Tones was seeking the glory in the surf yesterday his Defence Minister, Kevin Andrews, was in Adelaide yesterday for the launch of HMAS Hobart. One event of national significance, the other a cheap publicity shot. Where's a 15 foot GWS when you want one?

Uplift, agree with your comment on Rabs, but then again always thought he was a knucklehead, the islands bros back in the day should have gone in harder.

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blindboy Sunday, 24 May 2015 at 5:16pm

So of Rabbit is a knucklehead after winning a world title, gaining the respect of every major surfer of his generation including the Hawaiians, running the ASP and generally being known for his down to earth manner........what does that make you floyd? Nobody from nowhere with nothing but an ill informed opinion about someone you have probably never even had a conversation with.

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zenagain Sunday, 24 May 2015 at 5:34pm

I had a chat to Rabbit one night years and years ago in Cocktails and Dreams, or maybe The Party in Surfers. Really nice bloke, not a big-head. I'd buy him a beer anyday.

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wally Sunday, 24 May 2015 at 7:05pm

I too have had a beer with Rabbit. Well, actually 5 or 6 beers. Lovely bloke, straight forward, humble, honest and engaging. No sense of a local celebrity politely dealing with a member of the public. Just 2 blokes having a beer. He was (incredibly) as interested and delighted by my surfing anecdotes as I was with his. A really nice bloke.

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floyd Monday, 25 May 2015 at 9:46am

Back on topic shall we?

This is the 2nd independent report that shows that this years budget continues on from last years in attacking those that can least afford it while high income earners are slightly better off.

http://www.theage.com.au/business/federal-budget/natsem-analysis-shows-f...

Many leading economists are also saying the tax cut to small business and the $20k allowances for small business will fail to stimulate the economy on which the government's economic forecasts are based, leading to even bigger budget deficits in future years.

Meanwhile Andrew Sinodonis, sacked Assistant Treasurer, is refreshing honest when he says that the government has decided for "strategic reasons" (read to our political advantage) not to cut the over the top generous superannuation taxation provisions for wealthy Australians (growing at 12% pa and estimated to cost $50 BILLION pa in 2 years time).

While all governments are self-serving this one is in a league of its own.

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uplift Monday, 25 May 2015 at 9:55am

Ok, I'll bring abs back.

I had a chat with r/abs, sort of. He'd been over this way before... sort of. Anyway, we'd just had some deluxe waves all morning, it was 45 degrees in the shade, and the stinking hot , dreaded northerly was just about to hit. Then like a vision of God, there he was! R/abs! He'd brought the circus back to the desert! In a moment of burke and wills madness, the circus had driven away from the deluxe waves, they'd stumbled past, right under their noses, and rolled up! 4 hours and many resources later, they had arrived just in the nick of time! Just when the stinkin hot, fly maddening northerly roared in. Naturally there was a bit of friendly banter, but, as r/abs, to his credit, went to fire back, the swarm of blowies saw the moisture in the cave, and took him out of the equation! He shoulda just rang abs... abs knows about the ocean, and being a surfee and stuff!

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Johno210 Saturday, 30 May 2015 at 10:33pm

Big Joe reckons you can't tax yourself to prosperity !
Ok, but what happened to the so called "Google Tax" Joe was making so much noise about 2 months ago....now all forgotten ? !

Cheers Johno

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sypkan Tuesday, 26 May 2015 at 8:48am

the talk of a google tac was just talk to appease the peasants, who were almost revolting at the time. the whole idea is a furphy to be rolled out as a distraction when required.

there is nothing they can do about it anyway as google and co. are doing nothing wrong, just minimising taxes like every other business and household does across the planet. even if they had the will to do something, it would require countries agreeing and cooperating on tax laws and amounts, which ain't gonna happen , a nice distractions that whips up a frenzy amongst people who use google and apple products everyday.

i find it interesting that the the cool anti establishment hipster types love their apple products yet they are a morally bankrupt company. as someone else pointed out that capitalist it geek gates has done more community service than apple and all these idealistic hipsters combined, but hey they look good in the cafe with a little apple on their laptop.

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braudulio Tuesday, 26 May 2015 at 10:29am

+1

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floyd Tuesday, 26 May 2015 at 10:52am

There is much in what you say sypkan about google and multinationals avoiding tax especially the need for an almost universal fight against it by government for it to be effective. From what I have read the biggest players here are American companies and can anyone see the American government, hamstrung as it is by the most powerful lobbyists in the world that morally bankrupts democracy there, ever ever agreeing to effective action.

Joe Hockey on Q & A last night quoted the British company tax rate of 20% in defence of his government's (1.) inaction on multinationals profit shifting and (2.) insistence that the budget deficit can only be improved by reductions in expenditure (at the expense of lower and middle income earners). He again attempted (poorly IMO) to explain why his government isn't interested in attacking the massive taxation concessions Howard introduced for the super rich and their superannuation.

The thing is IF this multinational tax reform is TOO HARD lets all give up, lets all accept that greed is good and a very small % of the world's population has a god given right to the majority of its wealth. Lets all accept its dog eat dog.

Alternatively, the world could look to countries like Norway and how they tax rent seekers. There is a better way but here in the Lucky Country we are just getting sold down the river, again.

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Sheepdog Tuesday, 2 Jun 2015 at 8:50am
uplift wrote:

'Mornin' lift....... Nothing is perfect, mate.... You know that..... And speaking of "conditioned", it's a human condition to romance about things that are gone, things that are dead... By doing so, humans can ignore the carnage in front of them right now.... Future generations can then lament the current mistakes....'

Anyway, I better put some elvis on, or maybe the doors, watch a James Dean movie, followed by a bit of Nirvana......'

Oh no! Wrong! Again. Ouch... crunch! Its getting to be a bloody habit dawg! Nothing is actually perfect. The 'Source' of everything! Never changes, all equal, infinite, omniscient, unlimited, all of that. There's volumes about it... keep on googling maaayyte... not chooglin...

Dead you reckon? Shit, I just saw some Nungas in town... ghosts? Nice try, they wrote a 'history' book in Elliston like that, said all the Traditional Indigenous Australian groups and people from the region were dead, 'extinct' they said. Then more bloody ghosts showed up! How 'inconvenient'! Pesky buggers!

Yeh, pull out the old vinyls dawg, give em a spin aye! Watch out though, you wouldn't wanna accidently come across a tattered, drool soaked, clawed and pawed bloodied list aye! Fuckin' 'listers'! B... B... Bl... Bla... Blaa... Blaa. Yeh, bloody blah blah blah blacks sheepy aye! It's ok, got ya well and truly covered there young fella, had shitloads for ya maaayte, well into me fifties. You just 'spin' the old hits mate... Blah blah blah blacks sheepy have you any wool! No sir, no sir, no fuk### fuc**** uppi***### cun# ###*** ***** bags full!

Are you fuckn right, mate? Seriously.... Is it alcohol, or do you sometimes forget to take your bipolar meds? Some of your input is fucking brilliant.... Enjoyable.... Informative.... Wise.... But then other times it's like some retarded fuckstain has possessed you, and you dribble vomit like Linda Blair.....
These nunga's you speak of..... Did they walk into town? Or did they drive in? Were they in traditional dress? I wasn't talking about the "existence" of "nunga's"... I was talking about the slow death of their culture, which abbott is dancing on.... But you knew that..... Bipolar uplift just needed a trigger to appear....

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floyd Tuesday, 2 Jun 2015 at 11:05am
uplift wrote:

https://newmatilda.com/2014/11/13/punters-guide-not-getting-defensive-ab...

https://newmatilda.com/2015/06/01/not-so-level-playing-field-why-we-love...

Had pretty given up on the prospect of any semblance of a sensible discussion on this website, something about the demographic, (mind you I've been guilty as well of mindless correspondence), but this topic, unrelated as it is to Abbott, has reluctantly drawn me out.

Waleed Aly hits the nail right on the head "Australia is generally a very tolerant society until its minorities demonstrate they don't know their place ......."

As difficult it is to accept there are elements in our community, public life and the media that are racist as they come.

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uplift Tuesday, 2 Jun 2015 at 1:23pm

'Are you fuckn right, mate? Seriously.... Is it alcohol, or do you sometimes forget to take your bipolar meds? Some of your input is fucking brilliant.... Enjoyable.... Informative.... Wise.... But then other times it's like some retarded fuckstain has possessed you, and you dribble vomit like Linda Blair.....
These nunga's you speak of..... Did they walk into town? Or did they drive in? Were they in traditional dress? I wasn't talking about the "existence" of "nunga's"... I was talking about the slow death of their culture, which abbott is dancing on.... But you knew that..... Bipolar uplift just needed a trigger to appear....'

Fuck, thats what I was just thinking about you dawg! Don't sulk. You made glaring mistakes. Your education on the Traditional Indigenous Australian issues is lacking. Simple. Crap on swillnuttin', or just admit it. I don't take you very seriously dawg. Its just the net. Where everyone is freakin'whilst trying keep the not rotten, not a nest (wink, wink) fffaaarrrrrrkkkinnn secrettt aaayyyee!!!!. The list dog, the list son! Work them farkin' 'eavy bags!

'Waleed Aly hits the nail right on the head "Australia is generally a very tolerant society until its minorities demonstrate they don't know their place ......."'

Exactly. Its not about dwelling on the past, its about accepting it, acknowleging the truth, manning up, giving respect, not enabling a pack of fucking lies. Only then you have something worth building on.

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floyd Saturday, 6 Jun 2015 at 5:06am

This was the opening comment to this forum topic .....

".........No-one got anything to say about the loss of the car industry under a government and high viz Tony that promised to create 1,000,000 jobs?.............."

Well it seems our Abbott has done nothing positive for employment numbers since the election, in fact the number of unemployed has greatly increased to a 16 year high ...........

http://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/longterm-unemployment-shar...

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yorkessurfer Saturday, 6 Jun 2015 at 6:39am

I like how the Coalition voted against their own small business budget policy this week after Shorten agreed to pass the measure as a matter of urgency? It seems this didn't fit with the narrative of Labor holding up everything the Abbott government proposes in parliament so they blocked their own bill so they could talk about it some more?
http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-ambush-sees-go...

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Sheepdog Saturday, 6 Jun 2015 at 9:46am

Uplift wrote "Fuck, thats what I was just thinking about you dawg!"
Well, pin head, there aint no prize for coming second.... Now off you go and surf a break named by a whitefella about the slaughter of blackfellas.....