Turnbull rolls over "again" to the ultra right

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floyd started the topic in Monday, 10 Feb 2014 at 7:21pm

No-one got anything to say about the loss of the car industry under a government and high viz Tony that promised to create 1,000,000 jobs?

Slumber away ........

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floyd Monday, 28 Jul 2014 at 9:31pm

40 applications a month ...... Mmmmm

Surely in this age of technology someone or body e.g. Getup could develop a website / software that would allow people to mass apply for any vacant job advertised on those job seeker websites. If this were possible what about linking this host website with the web address of every Liberal MP and conservative think tank in the country. If this were all possible perhaps the host website could organise "Everyone apply for a position with Abbott's electoral office day so his office web address gets bombed with 1,000s of applications.

Gorilla warfare ...... play the game and totally piss off Liberals, conservative think tanks and business everywhere.

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happyasS Monday, 28 Jul 2014 at 11:00pm

"Jobseekers younger than 30 will be asked to do 25 hours’ work a week; those aged 30-49 will be asked to do 15 hours’ work a week; and people aged 50-60 will be asked to do 15 hours a week of an approved activity"

to put in 40 applications a month for stacking shelves @ coles & the like is achievable (but only just if your doing it honestly and properly !), but for trade-based employment or skilled professional employment where job seeking takes considerable time, is rubbish and a waste of a persons well spent time. not to mention racking up 25 hours of community service - good luck with all that. im glad a went through this process back in 2003 when it was a bit more relaxed.

....some people need to take on any work they can find, others with skills need to be a little more selective - that's just life....to force people to waste their own time is not helpful. I don't get what is the government trying to fix here - is unemployment a problem in this country? this is just bullshit politics and its going to cost $900,000,000 over the next three years.

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Fishlegs Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 1:34am

I read the employment section in the local rag each week, there isn't enough employment op's for our young people (in my regional area) to keep up with the requirement ( 40 job apps/mth) to allow them to remain on assistants from gov.au. Do you think gov.au will be in a position to be buttering up the opportunity to lay off people who have worked long time in a position of public service and be replaced by work for the dole employees??????? at a far cheaper rate of pay???????? lets face it, it's good business to replace an established workforce with another at a fraction of the cost. You know whats next! um could it be, conscription, ssshhhh don't tell em cause it'll give em a new idea. Now how can we bolster the ADF, hmm, Bingo.

Gunna attach a couple links that may or may not be relevant to this thread, but I like to hear from our surfing fore fathers and how that is relevant to our present day life. You may have seen it or maybe not.

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Sheepdog Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 9:41am

Heard an interesting opinion on tv... This is designed to fail.... for a reason...... Make it near impossible and sooo hard to meet the requirements, and alot of people will simply go off the dole, or be cut off..... What is the upside of this for Abbott? Well, with these folk now off the dole (but living in poverty), the unemployment rate will drop....... Disgusting...
here are 2 ways to make the unemployment rate fall..... 1 - create more jobs... or 2 - make it too hard to be on the dole....
Abbott chose number 2...... And that's exactly what this is, a big pile of number 2.......

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floyd Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 10:10am

Howard failed with Workchoices.

The conservatives learnt their lesson and declared Workchoices dead and then once elected proceeded to: pull the rug out from manufacturing creating larger numbers of unemployed; loosened the requirements for business to bring in foreign workers under 457 visas creating a pool of compliant lower paid workers; and now have announced tougher rules for unemployment benefits which will include people having to move home to find work while giving business tax-payers money to employ people (sounds familiar? Hunts direct action gives big polluters tax-payers money to do what they would have done anyway to stay in business!!)

Result = lower paid more compliant workers just as Workchoices was designed to do.

Look, the last government deserved to be voted out but did anyone seriously expect Abbott to act any differently? Its what conservatives do; attack workers.

If only Labor could get its shit together like it did under Hawke/Keating.

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tonka Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 10:28am

Absolutely, these policies are aimed at ushering in WorkChoices 2.0 by stealth.

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Sheepdog Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 10:44am

Not only do they "attack workers".... They attack the frail; Abbott cuts funding to dementia patients in aged care homes.....
http://www.standard.net.au/story/2395185/government-funding-cut-to-demen...

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trippergreenfeet Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 11:29am

Is the Abbott Government fascist? Lengthy article but well worth the read.

http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php/article/is-the-abbott-government-fascist

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trippergreenfeet Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 11:46am

To add to the above article - outlining fascist connections to the LNP.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/21/tony-abbott-the-ndh-and-australias-fascist-affair/

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Sheepdog Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 12:19pm

TGF, this is the nastiest government in the history of Australia...

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happyasS Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 at 7:03pm

nasty govt...not to mention...no dole until your 25...wtf...after 18 your of legal age. FORCED to vote...FORCED to pay full rate of tax on earnings...imprisoned as an adult...but lose your job and your back living with mummy and daddy (assuming they haven't kicked you out)...this gov't has no principles at all.

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old-dog Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 6:32pm

I'm getting sick of hearing what a great job Abbott and Julie Bishop are doing over the airline disaster,
this is just political opportunism at its ugliest. It's hard to believe that more than half the population were
ignorant enough to be sucked in by Abbotts pre election lies and bullshit. Conservative voters are like aliens from another planet and must be the most selfish, greedy pompous twits around, it's hard to believe but most of these moronic wannabes think Julie Bishop is a hottie , now that's fucking scary.

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happyasS Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 7:21pm

old-dog...totally. its the conservative commentators that feed this crap. the worst offender is A.Bolt...he may as well be screwing Tony. There is some half decent journalism but its mixed in with such overt piss in his pocket propaganda that its hard to believe even conservative people aren't put off by it. Not all conservatives are selfish...just the old ones with some financial wealth that perceive they have something to lose.

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floyd Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 7:34pm

Conservative commentator Steve Price tonight on Channel 10's The Project said Abbott needs to rethink his move to force unemployed people to apply for 40 jobs per month. He said its unworkable.

You know a policy must be crazy when people like Steve Price are publicly criticising it.

Also, last night on the ABC's The Drum a former Liberal staffer was calling this attack on the unemployed "Abbott's Cultural Wars".

Goes to show how far removed from what Australia stands for is this government .... good call / article TGF .... fascists indeed.

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gromfull Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 8:13pm

I Read today that if all unemployed had filled 40 applications a month that equalls to 30 million job applications for 116000 or there about, jobs, this policy can not work,

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shaun Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 at 8:35pm

Ahmm......Stu,Ben would you have any jobs going? Now 39to go

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Sheepdog Thursday, 31 Jul 2014 at 10:29am
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Keep ya knickers on, Floyd, don't take it personal.. I'm not attacking you.. I'm attacking the policy... I just simply and wholeheartedly disagree. Full stop.. Whereas you can find some merit with a caveat attached.... We can debate an issue without it being an attack on one's character, and at no time have I done that...
To have "work for the dole" in "isolated" communities" opens the door.... It's a political wedge.... Just like the racist food stamps - started in aboriginal communities, but now being considered in mainstream Australia... One can't have a set of rules for eg -aboriginals, and another for unemployed white folk in Manly.... "Weginald your wedges are weady"..... ;)
And the amount of unemployment in isolated communities pales into insignificance when compared to Western Sydney, or Salisbury, or Logan, or Frankston.... It's a wedge..... If work needs to be done in isolated communities, then give people real work with a real minimum wage instead of this turning the unemployed into another trading commodity.... It doesn't work... All it does is privatise unemployment...
I'd rather see a community training workshop than a dead end 6 month litter clean....
On the same side floyd, just disagree with one idea, mate... That's all...

Floyd, note this post where I talk about "wedges"........ Note the "foodstamp" comment...
Today we have this - http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/andrew-forrests-revolut...
From the article - "ABOUT 2.5 million welfare recipients on “working age payments”, including disability support pensioners and carers, would be forced into a cashless world where 100 per cent of their payments were income managed and they were banned from purchasing “prohibited” goods."

So.... Someone with a disability, or someone caring for a disabled person wont be allowed to buy a cheap bottle of wine and unwind on a sunday....
Doesn't affect me..... I was caring for my ailing dad..... But he died.... And I don't drink...... But hey, I walked as walk as a carer, and I am disgusted..... Losing my shit, people.....

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happyasS Monday, 4 Aug 2014 at 9:23pm

Sheepdog. Hmmmm. A mining magnate proposing work to be paid for in store credits.

Sounds like Forrest should release his own cover version of "16 tonnes".

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floyd Tuesday, 5 Aug 2014 at 8:58am

Sheepdog, welfare cards; mmmm one step away from divesting all responsibility for welfare to charities?
Just don't trust this mob. Lets not forget when they talk welfare they include age pensioners.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/hey-joe-this-isnt-working-20140802-zzs...
Changed my mind work for the dole will not work

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Sheepdog Tuesday, 5 Aug 2014 at 11:57am

Frightening times, floyd, Yorko, mitch....... I can "feel" the electricity in the air.... My alien antennae are buzzing... lol......
I'm gonna' sit back for a day and do some confucius like meditation hehehe...... All 3 of you have posted some very interesting and poignant material that deserves more than a instant reactionary response..
I take solace in the fact that there are a few Australians out there willing to delve into philosophy, instead of voting on the x factor, or tuning in to home and away.....
Would love a day in some fun warm water 4 foot left peelers.... Just perfect non consequential green runners..... Always good for the mind and soul...... Cheers......

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floyd Tuesday, 5 Aug 2014 at 6:11pm

18c is dead, another broken promise this time to Brandis' bigot mates.

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barley Tuesday, 5 Aug 2014 at 7:17pm

I actually think Abbsy is doing a pretty good job. stopped the boats,told us the truth about how fuckd the manufacturing industry really was,instead of handing out the cash. he's even had the balls to say when he's fuckd it i.e the racial discrimination laws. Did Julia or Kevin ever admit they were wrong?What about Conroy's NBN disaster?everyone was sucked in thinking you could get broadband faster than the speed of light to everyone in Australia!! how docile is that! In the end Labour don't really have any answer to the budgetary problems just like they didn't when they were in.but hey I'm a farmer what do I care!!

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happyasS Tuesday, 5 Aug 2014 at 8:55pm

My problem barley is not their ability to manage the budget. They will do that better than labor could but is rather their archaic policies around social issues and environmental policies, and reform including the nbn and mining tax. Abbot made it his task pre election to focus on obliterating labour reforms many of which make sense and are recommended by senior economists. Were all of these so bad. ran a simple campaign using incessant mantras that treated us like fools and sought to undermine the value of politics. And now insists on the same approach. Yes agree he is doing exActly as he said. Can't fault him for that and at least he has scrapped the paid maternity leave scheme, thank God. But I don't feel like living in a regressive society he is peddling.

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barley Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 8:24am

There is a difference between a regressive society and having plans that are not only fanciful but also intellectually inept. The NBN dreamworld is so void of reality and the mining tax, well, who creates a tax that doesn't actually raise any money? All I hear is rusted on labour supporters who are nothing but sore losers and wont admit that their last leadership group was quite possibly the worst group of politicians to ever lead our great country! Sooner or later Bill is going to have to show us his ideas on policy or will he trot out the line 'all our policies will be available before the next election!'

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Sheepdog Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 8:47am

barley... Shorten doesn't have to do a thing.... Not whilst Abbott, Hockey, Abetz, Morrison and co continue to act like an opposition that's in government.
They won office with 46% of the vote....... Not even 1/2..... Yet they scream"mandate"...... Um... No mandate unless it's over 50%...... Abbott's approval rating is lower that Gillards.... The lowest approval rating for a 1st term government in Australian political history...... EVER.....
Yep, I agree, Rudd/Gillard/Rudd was a joke..... The worse thing about them was it put Labor into a position of losing the last election (governments never WIN elections - they lose them).
Now Australia has to put up with the most bigoted, hateful, ideological, dishonest, psychopathic, inept government I have ever, EVER seen........

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barley Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 8:56am

Nothing inept about it sheepie. They have already done something labour never could do..not while they slept with the greens anyway. Tony did have a mandate to scrap the carbon tax. In our political system majority rules 46% is more than any other party collected so I would say that's a majority. Are you seriously saying the worst thing about Rudd/Gillard was it caused labor to lose? just proves how labor orientated you are! take the blinkers off man and actually look over your past gov. failings and be honest!

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Sheepdog Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 9:14am

Hmmm, sleep with Milne..... Or sleep with Palmer........ Tough choice.... Abbott said "no deals with minority parties".... But another lie is safer than a double dissolution.....

barley, Re read my post..... Did I attack or pigeon hole you personally, like you just did to me? Did I not say that the previous Labor government was a joke?
Now, if we want to get personal, I'll point out your pathetic and rather amateurish attempt in deflecting away from a mandate to a "majority"........ They are 2 totally different things.... Only a conservative troglodyte who thinks all others are intellectually below him would try to get away with that sort of banal trickery....
John Howard got 51% of the primary vote...,. That's a mandate...... Whereas 54% no direct support is far from it.....
Rolled gold maternity leave for millionaire Toorak "ladies"..... The scrapping of 18c - and using terrorism as the excuse, Paying billionaire Twiggy Forrest to come up with plans like "not letting a carer of a disabled person buy a beer".......
Now back to the Liberal office you go...... Your trolling has been done for the day.....

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mitchvg Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 10:21am

Sheepdog, your sabbatical has lasted as long as an Israel - Hamas ceasefire :P

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Sheepdog Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 10:24am

I said "a day"..... It's been "a day"..... At least I stand by my word........ Now go read my doctrine...... ;)

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floyd Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 10:38am

Can we please dispel the myth that the Liberals are always better economic managers than Labor.

Howard got his surplus from:
*selling publicly owned assets (that paid annual dividends to government);
*not spending any worthwhile amounts on infrastructure (leading to the current infrastructure deficit that Tony wants to fix but only if they are roads);
*presiding over the 1st mining boom and its massive tax receipts.

In other words Howard was a high taxing, low spending, flog everything off you can get you hands on sort of guy. And he then gave the cash away in pre-election tax cuts that every economist in the country said were unsustainable.

Hawke/Keating inherited Fraser's massive deficits; that's right Howard was Fraser's treasurer remember?

Now KRudd/Gillard/Swan made many many mistakes and they deserved to be kicked out but just don't fucking well talk about Abbott's so called budgetary mandate.

Yes he said he would fix the budget deficit but he also said that he was on a unity ticket with the ALP on Gonski (lie) Health (lie) Disability Care (lie) and on it goes .... kicking university funding, people on welfare lie after lie.

Its good to see the almost universal opposition to Hockey's budget it proves Australians still look out for each other and its still the place of the fair go.

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Sheepdog Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 10:38am

floyd - Here's a liberal gov' that's pissed it all up against the wall - state debt of 18.4 billion and growing...
- http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-07/wa-budget-expected-to-deliver-asse...

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barley Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 10:40am

I think you need to understand the Aust. political system better mate.46% is a mandate..It is a majority.it means that no other party had more votes or more 'authority' to make a government.Its ok sheepie there is nothing wrong with being a labour voter(or maybe there is?!) its just the fact that when things don't go the way labour want it ..they try to bully and intimidate others into they're way of thinking. Jealousy is a curse man but when you realize that you will be able to let it go and get on with your life

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floyd Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 11:06am

Labor drop the u barley

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Sheepdog Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 11:15am

I have voted for both party's in the past.... So Barley, get your elitist tribalistic head out of your own arse... Recently, I voted against the stale Labor government in Tasmania... And I have the balls to admit it... But right wing tribalists like yourself are no better than rusted on unionists......
When Labor fuck up, their tribalists go into denial..... It is a sad thing to see.... But when conservatives fuck up, it's always someone elses fault.... They point the finger... They label, they pigeon hole, they eat their own (Peter Slipper, Malcom Fraser, Andrew Peacock)...
Now I think you need to understand what a mandate is..... When you can't even win the balance of power in the senate (like Howard did), and you have to do deals with the like of Palmer, when the donkey protest vote was the largest in political history, That means the public is disillusioned with both parties, and that the coalition won by default (unlike Howard)......
More people didn't vote for Abbott than did.....
So, as a floating voter, I look at you in exactly the same light as I look at a life long Labor voter.... Naive, tribalistic, inflexible, and a detriment to true democracy..... "Yay!!!! Go blue!!!!" lol

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captainoftheworld Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 12:10pm

I hate our whole political system. All that the opposition need to do and are allowed to do is oppose. They do not have to make any sensible decisions until just before an election so for 4 years, just under half of the best political minds in Australia do nothing except follow party lines and critisize what the elected Govt is doing whether it is Liberal or Labor.

I don't know what the answer is but those of us old enough will have seen this cycle happen and it will continue until someone alot smarter than me finds an alternative. It really is a shame as this country is so lucky and yet we are inevitably ruled by either rich ratbags like Abbott, Hocking and Palmer or the militant lunatics running the Labor Party at present.

We need to get some decent young people involved, pay them appropriately and get them making decisions for the majority of Australians whether they are workers or employers. We also have to stop selling every utility that we have or we will not need a government as everything will be privately owned by overseas companies that will make all decisions on what is best for their shareholders be they Chinese or European.

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barley Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 12:51pm

unfortunately your bully tactics don't work with me sheepie. and I suggest you look up the meaning of the word mandate before you bang on about it..might have to start calling you uplifts' love child! Howard only won the balance of power in one of his election wins(unless I'm mistaken!).It's cool to argue/debate but you might wanna get some correct info on it before you shoot from the hip. So are you in denial sheepie?

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floyd Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 1:19pm

barley are you related to nick3? Just asking.

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Sheepdog Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 1:56pm

Bully tactics? "Uplift's lovechild"? Let me get this right.... You are the first to mouth off and make it personal, then cry "bully"? Go back and re read the conversation... Hypocrisy and victim syndrome on a grand scale.... The bully cries bully..... "Mummy he punched me".... "Why did he do that, darling barley?"...... "Cos I was throwing stones at him boo hooo hooooo".......

You shoot from the hip re' Labor/green deals yet cannot respond to the Abbott/ Palmer fiasco... In fact, you haven't responded to any points, Palmer, paid parental leave, lowest approval rating ever. You are a loyal member of "team Australia"....
Re' Howard - You write "Howard only won the balance of power in one of his election wins(unless I'm mistaken!).It's cool to argue/debate but you might wanna get some correct info on it before you shoot from the hip."..........................
Yep, correct info, barley..... Practice what you preach...
1996 - Libs/nats 53.63% - a clear mandate for the gst even though the senate was tied.........
2001 - Libs/nats 50.93% - a clear mandate for terrorism laws...
2014 - Libs/nats 46%................................................. No mandate....... Oh maybe except for the scrapping of the carbon tax, which is debatable.... But Abbott did take that policy to the election, along with paid parental leave.....
Now taking a policy to an election as compared to lying before an election (no changes to pensions/ no new taxes/ no changes to health yadda yadda.....
Here is the definition of political mandate;

"The concept of a government having a legitimate mandate to govern via the fair winning of a democratic election is a central idea of representative democracy.NEW GOVERNMENTS WHO ATTEMPT TO INTRODUCE POLICIES THAT THEY DID NOT MAKE PUBLIC DURING AN ELECTION CAMPAIGN ARE SAID NOT TO HAVE A LEGITIMATE MANDATE TO IMPLEMENT SUCH POLICIES.
Elections, especially ones with a LARGE MARGIN of victory, are often said to give the newly elected government or elected official an implicit mandate to put into effect certain policies.[2] Also, the period during which a government serves between elections is often referred to as a mandate and when the government seeks re-election it is said to be seeking a "new mandate". "

The only person in denial is you, barley....... Abbott has no mandate for any of his budget measures and backflips, as by definition, he did not make them public during the election campaign... Not my rules mate......
When you want to stop with the insults, and realise that when you hit out you might get hit back, when you have a glass of cement and harden the fuck up, and want to have a legitimate political discussion, and not a 1933 berlin style "insult and evade" point the finger session, I'm up for it......

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barley Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 3:25pm

Maybe you misread my observations on you as an insult, but, I have obviously hit a nerve or maybe the truth! Classic, reply to an insult with an insult or 4 great work sheep!.insulting by quote is another classic ..although you have stolen it from uppity. Funny just looked up mandate in the oxford dictionary and all that you wrote in CAPSLOCK isn't in there ! WOW fancy that. We could haggle over this all day bra, the facts are Abbsy is in whether you like it or not, and the majority liked it. He is actually doing a pretty good job considering. This is obviously a labour dominated forum topic, almost a stalinesque dictatorship where pussy rioters are locked up or attacked until their voice is no longer heard..fuck that

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floyd Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 5:14pm

Drop the U

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Sheepdog Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 5:29pm

No, what it proves is you do the same as the Bolt Mignions... If someone dares to criticise the Coalition, you automatically label or pigeon hole them a "lefty", or a "commo"... And that's what I find insulting... A tactic born in the early 1930s......
Even the extremely conservative Tim Wilson, Head of the Human Rights Commission, has come out today attacking the Abbott Government...... Just because I think both sides of federal politics stink for different reasons doesn't make me in your words (your very first post directed at me) " labor orientated"..... You go on to say I'm wearing blinkers, and veiled accusations of ownership re' "your government", referring to the previous Gillard/Rudd fiasco... Nah, mate... Didn't vote for Rudd.... Didn't vote for Abbott either... I threw my vote away in disgust to a local independent - my own form of protest.... So stop accusing people of stuff when you really have no idea....
And as I already said to you, I voted lib in tas', because the state Labor regime were a farce and were in power for too long - got lazy..... I vote at each election on the issues pertaining to that election only...
So, continue to live in your make believe world, barley, where sheepdog is a "jealous lefty".... It's safe there for you...... And yes, Abbott is in.... And his polling is the worse in history.... And you still refuse to address any of the issues I have put to you.... And you wish to play semantics re' "political mandate"....
Here's the link to Oxford..... and the example they give is EXACTLY the same as I posted. The oxford example is "2- The authority to carry out a policy, regarded as given by the electorate to a party or candidate that wins an election. "example" - : "he CALLED AN ELECTION TO SEEK A MANDATE for his policies"
Oxford example2 - "Newly elected ministers invariably choose to REGARD AN ELECTION VICTORY AS CONFERRING A MANDATE policies"...........
Both Oxford examples refer to policies TAKEN to an election, which is the same as my post post at 1.56pm.... So he has no mandate for the lies re' budget, but is too gutless to take it to a double dissolution for an "oxford style" mandate lol
Oxford link -http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/mandate

Here is the link I used, - exactly the same as Oxford....... - "political mandate" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_(politics)

And once again, you are "the victim", Australia's own pussy riot on swellnet......
Good on you for being an Abbott supporter..... I don't hold that against you.... I simply disagree... I think he stinks....... I agree with Tim Wilson, and I disagree with floyd re' 18c..... I disagree with Blind boy re' carbon tax..... The carbon tax was a joke...... But it doesn't give floyd or BB the right to label me conservative, just as deploring Abbotts budget and his attack on our privacy, his lies, doesn't give you the right the label me a lefty....
When you have finished sulking and comparing yourself to jailed musicians in Russia, it'll be good to get a cognitive response. Cheers......

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Sheepdog Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 6:01pm

I better stop criticising Abbott, stop researching the Middle eastern conflict, and no more porn.... Abbotts gestapo will be at my door.... ;)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-06/security-laws-abbott-browsing-hist...

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happyasS Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 6:27pm

i do agree with you Barley that labor plans had elements of fanciful, but that doesn't mean they had no value either...the same said for the mining tax which would have started raising revenue this financial year...to effectively shelve the mining tax is a mistake in my opinion. and for liberals to harp on about how commercial industry will provide something like the NBN is itself fanciful and plain intellectually stupid. I really got the strong feeling that Abbott was just opposing for the sake of it. I hope hes not too proud to change his mind. recent stuff on 18c gives me glimmers of hope that hes not.

but to my previous point (not as a die hard labor supporter- which im not) but the fact is that Abbotts campaign brought such disfavor on labor policies without any real substance of analysis/investigation/education on the public that he'd effectively convinced the public that most of labors work was crap and bad and should be scrapped with purely just mantras and slogans and shallow tactics. he's not unique of course and might well be a genius of sorts.

As captainoftheworld said...something is seriously missing in politics for things to be at this state.

BTW I totally agree that labor needed to be booted. I just didn't expect what I was getting when I voted Liberal this time. still think Abbott is socially regressive but each to their own opinion...

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barley Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 6:27pm

never have considered myself a victim sheepy just thought this topic was getting in a bit of Abbott bashing for the fun of it!Peole want to slag off and say how shit every politician is but ask them would they do it?and we all know the answer.
Interesting the oxford never says anything about when new policies have to be made during their elected term. this is when the original definition of mandate rings true. TA hasn't aligned himself with Clive, he hasn't aligned himself with anyone! smart politics if you ask me.
Obviously a lot of people voted for the PPl..if you didn't know about it before the election you were politically numb by then. It will be negotiated down somewhat but another smart move by Abbsy is he is negotiating.He has to! never saw labour negotiate.just get married to someone they didn't want to. Interesting in that you enjoy having your say(nothing wrong with that!) and political view sheepie but the problem is you flip flop from one to the next. I've only picked a side because of my profession and what benefits my capacity to make large. I voted for labor in SA because they did a good job. just not into bash bash bash

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memlasurf Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 8:27pm

What's wrong with a bit of Abbott bashing? He certainly likes to dish it out to others although is trying to play Mr Nice Positive guy now he is office after being such a negative, miserable human in opposition. Where are the real Liberals in the Liberal Party? They leave or get kicked out just ask Malcom Fraser (who believe it or not was on Biggsy show on RRR - had to hear it to believe it).

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floyd Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 9:28pm

Why must one side always be right and the other always wrong?

Why can't we have a sensible political debate where the best ideas, regardless of where they come from are used to advance our country?

What role does the tabloid press have in shaping the narrow political debate we have here?

Darn, I'm back to that international scourge on democracy again and his poisonous view of the world … Murdoch.

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happyasS Wednesday, 6 Aug 2014 at 9:53pm

Sounds like paradise floyd. Im sure most politicians enter into politics with that ideal. Then confront the beast become indoctranated and get lost in the political squabble. Everyone loses in a race to the lowest common denominator. Negativity is the new norm, labor is doing the same. politics is also partly case of instilling fear into people, then saying u can fix the problem. people are quick to respond to fear like no other emotion. masters of tactics.

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Sheepdog Thursday, 7 Aug 2014 at 9:34am

Barley, you write you are not into "bash bash bash".... Mate...... Go back to your initial tues 7.17pm post..... Bash bash bash..... wed 8.56 am - bash bash bash, plus insinuations with no merit..... I bash... You bash....... Get over it.....
Re Oxford.... It's a dictionary, buddy... Not a essay..... It gives pure examples of what a mandate is.... Do some more research, and don't get caught up in the political semantics and rhetoric...
"In parliamentary democracies, "mandate" evolved to meet the view that, AT ELECTIONS, voters should be INFORMED about how their representatives, if successful, would conduct themselves in parliament and in office; elections were increasingly considered to be about measures as well as men."

link -http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/the-legitimacy-...

Barley, the day before the election, this is what Abbott said -

But, Barley, it's not what we got...... He lied.... He has no mandate for 90% of his policies.......... As I said above, he took the carbon tax and the PPL to the election, and I agreed with you that under the traditional meaning of political mandate, even with only 46% of the vote, he does have a mandate for those 2 policies. It can be argued that it is a wafer thin mandate without an overwhelming win in both houses... It certainly isn't what is called an "implicit" mandate.
John Howard famously took the GST to the 96 election and swamped it in.... A REAL mandate across the board...
As far as flip flop and hypocrisy goes, Look in the mirror at yourself, and at Abbott..... Abbott approached windsor, oakshot, and members of the greens to form a government in a hung parliament.... But his negotiations of course were lacking...... Barley stays quiet on that one..... Barley ignores Abbotts flip flop promise (part of his "mandate") to the voters that no deals would be done with minor party's ( Palmer)....Barley refuses to acknowledge Abbotts gutlessness in calling a DD to try to get an "implicit mandate" ( a "Howard like" 50+%, mandate), flip flops on 18c, flip flops on no new taxes, flip flops on no changes to pensions, flip flops on no cut to Health, flip flops on no cut to the ABC.....
He is making Gillard look like Mother Theresa......

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Sheepdog Thursday, 7 Aug 2014 at 10:29am

Yesterday, Abbott on the Abc with Michael Brissenden described "civil liberties, privacy, and human rites" as an "honourable STRAND of thinking"....... Strand - A single filament.... A wisp or tress of hair.... A shoreline to an ocean..................